I registered to rant.

My crew and I were ready to hand Gibson the explosive reception he didn't get when Mike Bullard and his clueless audience snubbed him on television here in Toronto two years ago. Alas, that doesn't get to happen now. I'd speculate, mostly because I can, about why the reading was called off, but I won't do it publicly. All I will say is that /I/ don't have this silly SARS crap and I'd advise those who do have it to head for the nearest nearest cliff.

Thanksmuch.

- Icephreak

[This message was edited by Icephreak on April 02, 2003 at 12:41 PM.]

[This message was edited by Icephreak on April 02, 2003 at 12:41 PM.]

So he speaks!
Anger is just one part of the equation.

Maybe 'someone' had to say it with gusto, i guess phreak just did.

i post beneath you...

~cyn004

Everyone is someone elses freak ~unknown

hey guys, read the blog. He's sick. Inform before you tear down.

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Originally posted by cyn004:

Anger is just one part of the equation.

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And the other ought to be retribution.

- Icephreak

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Originally posted by Shadoth:
hey guys, read the blog. He's sick. Inform before you tear down.

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Hold up,
everyone has a right to opinion, right? So, there's no need to 'Inform' anybody.

This is 'Random Thoughts' board, you know:

'Gibson and other writers. Whatever occurs to you...'

Phreak is just exercising his 'fingers' just fine...

~cyn004

Everyone is someone elses freak ~unknown

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Originally posted by Shadoth:
He's sick.

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You say that with the conviction of a man who has first hand knowledge. Free your mind, Neo!

- Icephreak

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Originally posted by Icephreak:
You say that with the conviction of a man who has first hand knowledge. Free your mind, Neo!

- Icephreak

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I think you scared everyone off!

~cyn004

Everyone is someone elses freak ~unknown

Nope. Just didn't seem like a conversation worth having.

The man said he was sick, and doesn't want to have to deal with that and all the craziness at the same time. If you think that Shadoth's conviction was mistaken, why do you even care? You insinuate that Mr. Gibson was lying, what kind of fan are you?

it's all in the blog...

I just love that word - 'blog'...
..blog blog blog blog blog blog blog blog blog!

A LOT of people are suddenly getting <ahem> "sick" and suddenly can't make appointments in Toronto... Can't say I blame'em. Who needs to go to a city where everyone wears masks?...

I've been thinking about making custom respirator masks, maybe this is the time to try and get my startup capital?

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Originally posted by ianmcc:
A LOT of people are suddenly getting <ahem> "sick" and suddenly can't make appointments in Toronto... Can't say I blame'em. Who needs to go to a city where everyone wears masks?...

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Wait till it reaches *your* hometown.
This disease knows no boundary and has one objective...mass downsizing.

It's just nature retailating against everything that's happening (Chaos theory).
Checks and Balances, Laws of Equalibrium, etc...

In regards to world history, war, bear market, disease and pestilence are consistant with each other.

Ask a statistician or an economist regarding market crashes 1929 and 1987 then compare them with world events of those years...hummm
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Intel:

Stockmarket/History Timeline

Micheal Crighton (med scifi) said it best in his book 'Virus'
"It came from nature, and it will go back to nature"

The way I see it is, there's a third party in this war, and she's (mother nature) not having it.

And her wrath might show up in a town near you.

Ok, totally off topic..

<stepping down from soapbox>
~cyn004

Everyone is someone elses freak ~unknown

Come on, guys. HIV has been cutting a swath of death through the world for 20 years now. There are plenty of more impressive/fearsome bugs out there than SARS. The only reason SARS has become this significant is due to China's close-mouthed, backward public health system and ONE unusually contagious individual in a Hong Kong hotel.

If you're looking for signs the sky is falling, SARS is the least significant sign you could latch onto.

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"That we occasionally violate our own stated moral code, does not imply that we are insincere in espousing that code." --Major Napier, Stephenson's THE DIAMOND AGE

I'm with 'coil. SARS isn't that big of a deal. Sure it is very scary because it is so contagious but more canadians die of the common flu every winter than have even been infected by SARS.
And let us be glad that people are being prepared for the next big thing.
Spanish Flu killed 1 in 6 people.

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Originally posted by cyn004:

It's just nature retailating against everything that's happening (Chaos theory).

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I don't know that I agree with the unified nature
v. us theory. It's all one big system, and we're
a part of it, but there are a lot of things that
are involved.

quote:

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In regards to world history, war, bear market, disease and pestilence are consistant with each other.

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This makes sense. War causes a lot of indecision
and stress. The indecision leads to the bear
market, which in turn causes more stress. Stress
improves the chances of getting sick.

So a person's best hope would probably to try to
break this chain by being confident and relaxed.
Oh, and wash your hands a lot.

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The way I see it is, there's a third party in this war, and she's (mother nature) not having it.

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Again, I disagree that we're not a part of nature.
We are. That self-knowledge thing we have (thanks
unca Prometheus!) makes us more aware of the
various balances of the natural system, but this
awareness does not signify that we're separate
from it.

<back on soapbox>

Apologize for my generalization and vaugness regarding the topic(s) posted.
I didn't expect for it to generate response

BUT I am quite intriuged...quite!

As for the quote from Splitcoil:

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HIV has been cutting a swath of death through the world for 20 years now

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Yes, there are more serious health epidemics that are being addressed. HIV/AIDS has been the wakeup call of our generation and future generations.

Granted, the scientific/medical/research communities are quite advanced in means of research and knowlege, they yet have to find a cure, leading to a part of Mandrift's comment:

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Again, I disagree that we're not a part of nature.
We are. That self-knowledge thing we have (thanks
unca Prometheus!) makes us more aware of the
various balances of the natural system, but this
awareness does not signify that we're separate
from it.

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Self-knowledge and awarness is key. I would like to also add 'Education' and 'Responsibility' to those words.

Oh yeah, mythological being, Prometheus and his gift to mankind. Nice connection there.

I wasn't too sure at first (Prometheus), I only know the name through a specific society.
Personally, I like Hephaestus, although he has nothing to do with this discussion piece.

I have more to say on the topic at hand, but I need my next coffee to continue

<again, off the soapbox>
~cyn04

Everyone is someone elses freak ~unknown

A couple offhand comments while you're getting
that coffee.

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Originally posted by cyn004:
<back on soapbox>

Apologize for my generalization and vaugness regarding the topic(s) posted.
I didn't expect for it to generate response

BUT I am quite intriuged...quite!

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Generalized, vague, and emotional posts have
to be responded to. I think it has something to do
with the precise logical technology of the medium.
Anything foreign to that medium must be
addressed, even if we wouldn't normally. It's an
odd thing, I think.

quote:

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...snip...
Granted, the scientific/medical/research communities are quite advanced in means of research and knowlege, they yet have to find a cure, leading to a part of _Mandrift's_ comment:

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Again, I disagree that we're not a part of nature.
We are. That self-knowledge thing we have (thanks
unca Prometheus!) makes us more aware of the
various balances of the natural system, but this
awareness does not signify that we're separate
from it.

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Self-knowledge and awarness is key. I would like to also add 'Education' and 'Responsibility' to those words.

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Yes, but education and responsibility to what end?
Is it our place to be the caretakers of the world,
or is it just to make sure we don't screw it up?
It seems that whenever we try to be the
caretakers, we end up just screwing it up. Of
course, this is branching off into my thoughts
about the war, so I may let this drop a bit.

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Oh yeah, mythological being, Prometheus and his gift to mankind. Nice connection there.

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Thanks. I have a little mantra that generally runs
along the line of "I have a brother. He's chained
to a rock." I say it whenever I see something with
20/20 hindsight. Sort of my own "He took a
duck..." phrase. Sometimes I'll turn it into a
narrative and bring up the Hercules portion.

I'm more comfortable with the Old Testament
Christian and Buddhist ideas towards
self-awareness, where, while it can be a good and
useful tool, it can be, and often is, a bad thing.
The Greek/fire thing is almost too 50s
propaganda-ish SciFi.

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I wasn't too sure at first (Prometheus), I only know the name through a specific society.

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I never understood the need for such societies,
but if you enjoy being in one, that's fine as
well.

<back on soapbox>

Nice. I like the response time on this!

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Self-knowledge and awarness is key. I would like to also add 'Education' and 'Responsibility' to those words.

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**snip**
Yes, but education and responsibility to what end?
Is it our place to be the caretakers of the world,
or is it just to make sure we don't screw it up?


DAMN, I knew I should of posted what I orginially had first regarding his subject!
You and I asked the same question.
My ideal post was this:

"Man is his own creater, as he is his own destroyer"

Mankind, in a theologian sense, has conquered and destroyed in the name of <?>. Our sucesses to credit <?>, and our failures an only be by our mans own hands?
Do we create and progress to aid the better existance and quality of human life?
Or is it a downward spiral, that our chins are just enough above water to make it seem like we're okay.


Humm, lets adresses some of it...shall we?

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I have a little mantra that generally runs
along the line of "I have a brother. He's chained
to a rock." I say it whenever I see something with
20/20 hindsight

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Third eye open. Deep.
I believe in the power of mantra and meditation. Although world theology is one of my interest hobbies, my personal system of belief is mainly Buddhism.

My mantra comes from a part of the 'Heart Sutra':

Shiki Soku Zei Ku Ku Soku Ze Shiki
'form then is emptiness, emptiness then is form'

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I'm more comfortable with the Old Testament
Christian and Buddhist ideas towards
self-awareness...

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Kewl, did you know that there are 84000 ways to enlightenment? This is part Buddhist belief that any can achive nirvana/enlightenment anytime and anywhere, regardless of religious belief?
(ie. like hell)


~cyn004

Everyone is someone elses freak ~unknown

quote:

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Originally posted by cyn004:

Mankind, in a theologian sense, has conquered and destroyed in the name of <?>. Our sucesses to credit <?>, and our failures an only be by our mans own hands?
Do we create and progress to aid the better existance and quality of human life?
Or is it a downward spiral, that our chins are just enough above water to make it seem like we're okay.

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Are you quoting something here? Where's it from?

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Humm, lets adresses some of it...shall we?

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Go right ahead.

I don't think that "progress" is either inherently
good or bad. It's something we do. Yeah, there's
the possibility that we're doing this because
we're unenlightened and constantly trying to
develop a form of heaven on this plane, all the
while pushing in the wrong direction, but building
stuff is not necessarily the antithesis of finding
enlightenment. There are many craftsmen that have
found enlightenment within their process of
creation. There are also craftsmen who didn't.
As a friend of mine recently pointed out, without
our abilities of self-awareness and technological
"progress," we wouldn't have made it very far.

Perhaps that would've been better for the world,
but certainly not for us. Of course, nature (as
a system) has a way of balancing stuff out. I
firmly believe that no matter what we do, it'll
all sort itself out in some form of ecological
entropy (not a good term, but there you go).

quote:

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quote:

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I have a little mantra that generally runs
along the line of "I have a brother. He's chained
to a rock." I say it whenever I see something with
20/20 hindsight

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Third eye open. Deep.
I believe in the power of mantra and meditation. Although world theology is one of my interest hobbies, my personal system of belief is mainly Buddhism.

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Ok, maybe it wasn't so much of a mantra, but an
exclamative sentence (often referred colloquially
as a mantra).

Any particular flavor of Buddhism?

My belief system is primarily Zen Buddhist, with
touches of Lutheran Christianity, paganism, and
unitarianism tossed in.

quote:

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My mantra comes from a part of the 'Heart Sutra':

Shiki Soku Zei Ku Ku Soku Ze Shiki
'form then is emptiness, emptiness then is form'

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Yes.
"Gate, gate, paragate, parasamgate, bodhi svaha."
I chant it on mornings when I don't have to work.
Of course, I chant an English translation of it.
I don't know whether it would be better to do it
in a language I understood or not.

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Kewl, did you know that there are 84000 ways to enlightenment? This is part Buddhist belief that any can achive nirvana/enlightenment anytime and anywhere, regardless of religious belief?

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Metaphorically 84000, right?

I, myself, just try to keep the inner dialog down
to a dull roar. That's not easy.