definitely, since we're in some position to decide (after the third comes out, that is), I think we should go for "Blue Ant Trilogy."

I'll go further to say that it'll be 2010 when the third comes out.

And, since the other trilogies follow a certain sort of logic in their titles --
(Neuro; Count Zero; Mona Lisa Overdrive = 1, 2, 3
Virtual light; idoru; all tomorrow's parties = 2, 1, 3) --
I'll go even further and say Pattern Recognition (2) and Spook Country (2) will be followed by a book with a two word title.

That title may have some sort of emotion or cognitive action that causes some feeling or motion in the body (Recognition / Spook), along with an object, which ruins my bet that it would be named "Orphan Sites." Maybe "Network Collapse."

Also, if I had to guess, I'd say it will involve someone being hired to find Bigend.

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Originally posted by samedietc:
definitely, since we're in some position to decide (after the third comes out, that is), I think we should go for "Blue Ant Trilogy."

I'll go further to say that it'll be 2010 when the third comes out.

And, since the other trilogies follow a certain sort of logic in their titles --
(Neuro; Count Zero; Mona Lisa Overdrive = 1, 2, 3
Virtual light; idoru; all tomorrow's parties = 2, 1, 3) --
I'll go even further and say Pattern Recognition (2) and Spook Country (2) will be followed by a book with a two word title.

That title may have some sort of emotion or cognitive action that causes some feeling or motion in the body (Recognition / Spook), along with an object, which ruins my bet that it would be named "Orphan Sites." Maybe "Network Collapse."

Also, if I had to guess, I'd say it will involve someone being hired to find Bigend.

I like these ideas. I don't know that they have a whisp of veracity, but I like them.

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Originally posted by Justy:
I would differentiate between "a pattern ingrained in Gibson's psyche," and the qualities that make novels into a series. Your pattern would interrelate *all* of Gibson's novels if only through Gibson's common obsessions, points of view, and general leanings, and so-on--a perfectly valid effort--while sequels, in addition to thematics, etc., would have to have at least a couple of characters in common.

The Bigend character, between PR and SC, is too well developed to become a mere marker of author, the way the names Cherrycoke and Seaman "Pig" Bodine are to Pynchon.

I didn't say that Bigend was an author's marker nor was I tlaking about the oevre and it's thematic correlations. What I am suggesting is that Gibson has a certain modality he works through, books f three cycles in which he scratches whatever authorial itch which promted the spelunking of the territory to begin with. It seems to take three books. The second books introduces a main viewpoint character who we don't see again. the third brings back protagonists from the first.

Chia and Marly are not heard from in Mona.

Molly and Rydell and Chevette return in ATP.

Neuro and PR are written from the third person singular view.

Count and Spook have three viewpoint characters.

Mona and ATP have more than three viewpoint characters, an abberation from the paradigm of the preceding books....

These are the patterns I was talking about.

Talking in Wagamama, Gibson indicated that this time round he suspected he would stop blogging much sooner, that he had a novel to write.

When asked if that meant that he had already started he just smiled smoothly and said that there were things that he had left unsaid in Spook Country.

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Chia and Marly are not heard from in Mona.

Molly and Rydell and Chevette return in ATP.

not surprising chia doesn't feature in MLO, seeing as how she's a character from idoru. ie from the bridge as opposed to the sprawl space. and molly in ATP? um no.

I think he's using the first, second and third books of each trilogy interchangeably, misty.

I think it's bolloks, myself, but it isn't the first time I've heard theories about patterns across the trilogies.

I want an "autobiography" of Bigend.

Bigend is way more fascinating as a supporting character than he would be as a lead protagonist, I think. But I'd be happy for The Maker to prove me wrong, natch.

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Bigend is way more fascinating as a supporting character than he would be as a lead protagonist

Just as Armitage... only that WG doesn't got rid of him yet.

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Originally posted by Sentinel400:
Bigend is way more fascinating as a supporting character than he would be as a lead protagonist, I think. But I'd be happy for The Maker to prove me wrong, natch.

I'd like to know WHO hires Bigend to run some 'errand'. Who'd foot his bills, then... if Marly could get anything but spacecraft and Cayce up to real estate, what would be the limits on his expense account?

or how did he develop this eye for talent and meme hunters.

I assume he could charge planets but would need a signature on solar systems.

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Originally posted by colin:
I think he's using the first, second and third books of each trilogy interchangeably, misty.

I think it's bolloks, myself, but it isn't the first time I've heard theories about patterns across the trilogies.

I was. And I do not think he does it consciously but it is surely there. I am too tired tonight to outline all the paralells but maybe I'll try tomorrow, I've always wanted to lay them oput and look at them.

Parallels in the works of William Gibson.

Neuromancer and Pattern Recognition.

Both are the first book in a series (or we think so for PR)

Both feature the POV of a single protagonist whereas the next book in the series features multiple perspectives.

Both characters are named Case/Cayce. Whether or not this was volitional is not the issue.

Both protagonists possess a unique talent that is needed to untie two seemingly separate entities into a synergistic whole. Case unties Neuromancer and Wintermute using his console skills. Cayce unites Bigend and Volkov via her use of her allergy. Perhaps facilitates would be a better term in either case. (No pun intended there.)

Also note that the entities that are united are in someway beyond human. The AIs are not people nor do the react as people. Bigend is seen by Cayce of understanding emotions without having ever having had experienced the, Volkov and his apparatus are quite beyond an individual human’s control as it witnessed by his own inability to control it. Also he seems to walk in the rarefied air of the rich that Gibson also portrays as being subtly non-human in nature.

Both characters, in the course of their journey, are relieved of a debilitating personality trait. Case is free of his addiction to amphetamines and his death wish. Cayce is freed of her allergy.

I’ll do two others later if anyone is interested. If not, I’ll probably do them anyway.

Could Cayce be case's mom?

Cayce could be everyone's ma!

I vote for
The hotels trilogy

The books cannot be summed up to bigend or blue ant so we should choose a place.

what about The jetlag trilogy.