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I heard a story about it on the radio a few days ago, and my meager search skills indicate that it was not discussed before.

(does the search feature include archived threads?)

Anyway.
I had read about the legendary Children's Crusade a long time ago, and never connected it to Gibson's until now.
Children's Crusade (on Wikipedia)

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The long-standing view of the Children's Crusade is some version of events with similar themes. A boy began preaching in either France or Germany claiming that he had been visited by Jesus and told to lead the next Crusade. Through a series of supposed portents and miracles he gained a considerable following, including possibly as many as 20,000 children. He led his followers southwards towards the Mediterranean Sea, where it is said he believed that the sea would part when he arrived, so that he and his followers could march to Jerusalem, but this did not happen. Two merchants gave passage on seven boats to as many of the children as would fit. The children were either taken to Tunisia and sold into slavery, or died in a shipwreck on the island of San Pietro (off Sardinia) during a gale. In some accounts they never reached the sea before dying or giving up from starvation and exhaustion. Scholarship has shown this long-standing view to be more legend than fact.


I love this story.
It's all about fanaticism, blind faith and the hard reality.


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The longstanding view (which was the only one I knew about) would have made a good point for discussion as I would have interpreted that as an early youth movement, some fancy that runs against the normal way of behaviour. But the more modern, historical view sounds closer to Coxey's Army as depicted in Jack London's The Road.


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I never realized that Vonnegut used _The Children's Crusade: A Duty Dance with Death_ as an alternate title for _Slaughterhouse Five_.

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Explanation of the novel's title

"Slaughterhouse-Five" refers to the slaughterhouse in which the main character, Billy Pilgrim, stays as a POW in Dresden during the firebombing. Vonnegut, as he does in some of his other works such as Breakfast of Champions, uses an alternate title for the book; in this case it is The Children's Crusade. He explains this in the first chapter as referring to the Children's Crusade of the 13th century, in which children were sold as slaves (the facts of the actual historical event are disputed, but for literary purposes, the purposeful selling of children into slavery is the intended meaning). This is used to mirror war which, in Vonnegut's opinion, is comparable to selling children into slavery.

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Billy Milgrim, I mean Pilgrim

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As I said in the Pointless Thread :

I am under the impression that everybody but the French people know about this story.

I'll have to ask around, and see if it's true.


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i remember learning about it at school when i was 13.
 
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I forgot to ask about it when I met my family last weekend.
I asked Mrs GL, and she never heard of it.

More later...


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Only 2 out of eight co-workers recalled hearing of the Children's Crusade.
One said, "Wasn't that like the _Pied Piper_ or something?"

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In sixth grade the teacher told us about it and then added, nervously, that it was just a "Myth".
"Myth". Aha...
I knew right then that it had happened,
oh yes.

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Any progress on this mr. Arkan? Wink


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There is a recent book from a popular German historical best seller writer (Peter Berling), Das Kreuz des Kinder, but as I did not like his previous series, I cannot comment on it. I suppose he plays loose with some historical facts.

I did know about it, which is not surprising considering my obsessions. Most of my friends (who share obsessions) do know about it, but no coworkers do.

Maybe there is a guilt factor, considering that most of the children were French, and the slaving trip left from Marseille (the German children crusade left from Cologne and was decimated crossing the Alps).

There is enough evidence for its existence, including papal encouragement and royal prohibitions, but its magnitude and ending are unclear.

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I completely forgot about that...
I'll have to ask around.


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Maybe there is a guilt factor, considering that most of the children were French


That's my assumption.
The 'regular' crusades are bad enough; so if this one involves kids sold in slavery... people simply do not want to know about it.
It's such a depressing tale.

I suspect that it's used as a cautionary tale abroad. But not so much here, since it concerns our people.

It's all speculation anyway...


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The dutch are also aware of this childrens crusade.

One of world famous (in the Netherlands mind you) childrens book is 'Kruistocht in spijker broek' or crusade in jeans by Thea Beckman.

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True, everybody (from my generation, anyway) knows that book, or at least the title.
(For some reason, I've never read it, though.)

I've heard they're gonna make it into a movie, btw.


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For shame!

't is a good read. Well it was when i was 12 or so anyway, i don't know how an adult reading it for the first time would feel about it.


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Yeah. Don't know why I never bothered reading it, really.
(Probably because it was such a 'popular' book and, being a snobbish nitwit by nature even back then, I felt there was no need to read it. I dunno).

But I know the story, more or less. That's why I know what the Children's Crusade was.

I'll look for it in the library. Might be nice to read it with (or to) my son.


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