hey. I just started reading pr. this is gibson's first book I've read. after some googling on gibson and his works (neuromancer), I stumbled upon the cyberpunk movement. I am quite enthralled by cyberpunk. I seem drawn to it. I was wondering if anyone knows about the present day status of cyberpunk...if there is one at all.

Lewis Shiner, Pat Cadigan and Bruce Sterling declared cyberpunk dead in the early nineties.

Sorry.

savvy.

Unless you really care what Bruce Sterling thinks, there's plenty of cyberpunk or at least cyberpunk-influenced stuff out there.

"cyberpunks not dead"

He's a good guy, that Sterling. Clinically Russian maybe, but...

There were quite a few good suggestions over in violet's thread wherein it was asked, "where were the women at?"

It's my growing feeling that cyberpunk isn't so much a genre anymore so much as how life is (that is, *the* genre), at a certain level, but that may just be me.

In the meantime, get thee to reading some Ian McDonald ("Brasyl," "River of Gods,"), China Mieville (still have not read, but gets lots of press here). Stick around, you'll hear more names.

cheers mate. I think I just discovered a new favorite genre in this SF cyberworld and am looking foward to reading more. I think it's funny about technology today, how its pushed and used and switched and rerouted for whatever, however. somewhat of a defining/pioneering time in history it seems. reading these books makes me wonder where it will go.

You should be able to find a bunch of recommendations already.

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Lewis Shiner, Pat Cadigan and Bruce Sterling declared cyberpunk dead in the early nineties.

This should make it immortal, then. (Some people, like movement celebrities) confuse a loss of dominance with death.

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Lewis Shiner, Pat Cadigan and Bruce Sterling declared cyberpunk dead in the early nineties.

Right about the time they lose their chops...
Ay caramba!

The question is, of course, whether cyberpunk itself was ever actually dominant. It had one author that really made it into the zeitgeist (if Rolling Stone articles and movie deals are any indication) in Gibson, one major cheerleader in Sterling, and a bunch of practitioners who were largely in the same peer group, but who were also much more varied than even Sterling gave them credit for (Mirrorshades is a funny anthology, offering a distinctly un-cyber foray from Greg Bear, wasn't it? Or was it Rucker?).

Delany has some good discussions of cyberpunk as a genre within its historical context and in contrast with contemporary SF (equally exciting, but somehow less apparently commercial). You can't go wrong with McCaffery's anthology for a pretty thorough exploration of the late 1980s academic reaction to the "movement," though it, too, has its share of cheerleading.

What do people think of Jon Courtenay Grimwood? His first few books are quite firmly rooted in cyberpunk, but he never seems to get brought up in conversations about 'the movement'. His first book was in 97 (according to wikipedia) so he was a bit late to the party, and since he's moved on to more noir and crime procedural style novels, but with a hint of his previous style.

I rather liked him back in the day when I ran out of Sprawl books to read, but haven't revisited his first books for years. I read 9Tail Fox the other day though, and rather enjoyed it.

He's gotten a few mentions round here. Mostly in the reading threads, of course.

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(Mirrorshades is a funny anthology, offering a distinctly un-cyber foray from Greg Bear, wasn't it? Or was it Rucker?)

Both. Greg Bear's "Petra" is about gargoyles come to life, and Rudy's "Tales of Houdini" is a nice bit of surrealism, not cyberpunky at all.

Ok the real low down on Cyberpunk and is it really dead (In my own peronal opinion.)

Hell, no, September the 11th saw CP kicking a screaming its self in to the real world. For a long time it was simply a genre of fiction and a personal attitude but events that day changed evrything and the sad fact is we now live in a world where goverments will start wars for oil and corporate concerns and technology is running rampant. Cyberpunk is not dead, you walk past them in the street every day, you just don't notice because c-punks are a real and niormal as anyone else.

Wardriving. I think mesh networks will allow room for some cyberpranking at first.
And new media doors.
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Forgot to add this partJohn Shirley and the Panther Moderns on Halloween night

For some old John Shirley's:
_City Come A Walkin'_
and the _Eclipse_ series
"A Song Called Youth"

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What are some of your opinions on the development of biotechonolgy in relation to cyberpunk? Does anyone think that the future will become actually similar to SF's descriptions of cyberpunk. I kind of think so, maybe it's inevitable. I don't know, it's a crazy time in existence.

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What are some of your opinions on the development of biotechonolgy in relation to cyberpunk? Does anyone think that the future will become actually similar to SF's descriptions of cyberpunk. I kind of think so, maybe it's inevitable. I don't know, it's a crazy time in existence.

Check out The Third Ear, cornelius.

oh dear, thats a bit freaky.

I'll see if I can find some more biotech stuff
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