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Babylon the Bride
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Er...spoilers ahead, I guess?

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I'm oddly fascinated by the initial and then later effect of the "truth drug" on Cayce.

Does anyone know more about the subject? What kinds of drugs are commonly used and how do they differ in effect?

I found this on wikipedia and thought it was quite intersting (Cayce's ex-shrink is, I suppose, referring to that kind of thing):
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Truth drugs developed by the KGB

A defector from the biological weapons department 12 of the KGB "illegals" (S) directorate (presently a part of Russian SVR service) claimed that a truth drug codenamed SP-17 is highly effective and has been widely used. "The 'remedy which loosens the tongue' has no taste, no smell, no color, and no immediate side effects. And, most important, a person has no recollection of having the 'heart-to-heart talk'" (the human subject feels afterwards as if they suddenly fell asleep). Officers of the S directorate used the drug primarily to check the trustworthiness of their own illegal agents who operated overseas. [2] Assassinated FSB officer Alexander Litvinenko suggested that Russian presidential candidate Ivan Rybkin was drugged with the same substance (identified as SP-117) by FSB agents during Russian presidential election, 2004 (he dropped out of the presidential race due to the alleged kidnapping and drugging by FSB agents) [3]


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There is no "truth drug".
 
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Search for stuff like sodium pentothal, used by people trained at places like the School of the Americas. Not pleasant bedtime reading, I'm afraid.
 
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Yes, they use that stuff. But it's not a "truth drug".
 
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Yeah, it's just a tool, that's been given such a nick-name. Does "Wonder Bread ™" get such attention from you too? Or are you going to go on a first year pysch course diatribe about there being no such thing as truth?


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lol - yes, Psyclone. It's a popular misnomer. That's why I put the term in quotes. You are familiar with this use of quotation marks?

Thanks, fuldog. I will have to check this out (I guess if I were after pleasant bedtime reading I wouldn't be reading Gibson. A lot of it seems pretty spooky to me).


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Well, at least what Gibson writes is usually fiction. Reality is always quite spookier.

Uh... mind if I ask you're planning to, ah, put some of this research in practice? : )
 
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Originally posted by Babylon the Bride:
[QUOTE] Truth drugs developed by the KGB

A defector from the biological weapons department 12 of the KGB "illegals" (S) directorate (presently a part of Russian SVR service) claimed that a truth drug codenamed SP-17 is highly effective and has been widely used. "The 'remedy which loosens the tongue' has no taste, no smell, no color, and no immediate side effects. And, most important, a person has no recollection of having the 'heart-to-heart talk'" (the human subject feels afterwards as if they suddenly fell asleep).


Vodka.


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quote:
Originally posted by Babylon the Bride:
[QUOTE] Truth drugs developed by the KGB

A defector from the biological weapons department 12 of the KGB "illegals" (S) directorate (presently a part of Russian SVR service) claimed that a truth drug codenamed SP-17 is highly effective and has been widely used. "The 'remedy which loosens the tongue' has no taste, no smell, no color, and no immediate side effects. And, most important, a person has no recollection of having the 'heart-to-heart talk'" (the human subject feels afterwards as if they suddenly fell asleep).


Vodka.


Works on me!



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There is no "truth drug".
How about drug truth, though? Acid theology man!


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To paraphrase Splinter Cell:

"There's no truth drug. Just get 'em messed on phenobarbs, stuff like that. Afterwards, they think they already spilled their guts, so they don't mind telling you again."


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"Scopolamine" ?

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"Scopolamine" ?
I'm guessing it was something Gibson just conjured up as a potential development by the Soviets that has yet to have gotten out widely. Scopolamine is probably in its family tree though.


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Yes. YOu don't always need the details, when you're writing.


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