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Originally posted by Gustave:

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[snip]...Lastly, it was genius for WG to pair Cayce and Parkaboy up. Loved it.

As much as I loved the book (and others) I always cringe when an author does something like this. It feels like an overly obvious cop-out to me, a little too "here's your happy ending, tied up in a bow".

But maybe I'm just a grump that hates happy endings... or endings in general. Reality just isn't like that - as fantastic as things may get. The only real ending is death and culturally we identify that as "not happy".

If prior Gibson work is any indicator they'll have broken up sometime prior to the 3rd book.

1st books have "Happy" endings (the breakup part being in the coda of Neuro, tho made more explicit in MLO), the 3rd features them getting back together.

Rydell\Chevette
Bobby\Angie

Not a perfect track record for fitting my little theory, but consistent enough that I think we can be assured they didn't live happily ever after.


You know, provided there is a 3rd Pattern Spook book.

Gibsons...welcome to Recognition Country!

I have to say honestly this was my most disapointing WG read.yeah, yeah... I know I'm a horible person and just missed the point of PR entirely..I guess I can see the idea that it was a riff on all of WG previous theams. But unlike aparently everyone else, I saw it as a more extreme departure from other works. (Although WG at what I would consider his worst is still f**king briliant and fantastic!) Stylisticaly it almost seems as if another author is writeing it. It has definate touches of Gibson's prose, but the paceing and structure seem way off. And honestly the subject matter sort of bored me personaly. I think I understand Gibson's resoning in tring to go somewhere new and diffrent in his subject matter. As brilliant as the "cyberpunk" genra is, it can at times seem, in this day and age, a bit dated. Though Gibsons uncany almost freaky ability to write about and discribe things before they are ever concived of..makes me wonder (jokeingly) if this man dosn't posses some sort of latent psyhcic abilites. I applaude his attempts to take his writting in a bold and new direction. Maby in 20 years, being the futureist he is, PR will make more sense and be more relevent to me personaly(I have been acused of being slightly arcahic myself, sometimes). And honistly how horrific would it be if WG wrote Nuromancer over and over again with difrent cover graphics and title changes? Did this fourm play some small part in inspireing the online forum in the book? Makes you wonder, huh? Well makes me wonder....

And I must confess I have many time pondered composing love letters to WG's prose(Read: not WG)but realized writing about WG's writing is like painting about Van Gough or drawing about da Vinci. How does one use the medium of expression to express the briliance of the expression in the medium? (That and I'm sure I will sound like a psyco fan. I don't want to strike fear in the hart of my fav author). WG is the resion I am inspired to pick up a pen, and yet also the resion I become hopelessly disillusioned and put it back down again before a word is on the page!


Yes I'm new...Hi, I guess this serves as my intorduction. And I am such a rabbid nutty Gibson fan, my actual dj name(yes I'm an actual real world dj. Unlike most people I actualy am in real life, who I play in cyberland.) is DJ Iduru, spelled difrently, but is there any doubt of the insperation?

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OK, I see how you didnt; like it or what not, but how do you see it as such a radical departure n prose and pacing?

Those are all very similar to the Bridge Trilogy I think.

I use terms like "I see" and "I think" becuase I have recently been reeducated.

It was liberating, much better than Cats. I want to be reeducated again and again.

Hey DJ Iduru and welcome.

Yes, you are wrong but you've come to the right place. :-)

Also in the spirit of community and friendly observation, I recommend the use of a good spell-checker.

Cheers!

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Originally posted by jbx:

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Originally posted by Gustave:

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Originally posted by iammyme:
[snip]...Lastly, it was genius for WG to pair Cayce and Parkaboy up. Loved it.

As much as I loved the book (and others) I always cringe when an author does something like this. It feels like an overly obvious cop-out to me, a little too "here's your happy ending, tied up in a bow".

But maybe I'm just a grump that hates happy endings... or endings in general. Reality just isn't like that - as fantastic as things may get. The only real ending is death and culturally we identify that as "not happy".

If prior Gibson work is any indicator they'll have broken up sometime prior to the 3rd book.

1st books have "Happy" endings (the breakup part being in the coda of Neuro, tho made more explicit in MLO), the 3rd features them getting back together.

Rydell\Chevette
Bobby\Angie

Not a perfect track record for fitting my little theory, but consistent enough that I think we can be assured they didn't live happily ever after.


You know, provided there is a 3rd Pattern Spook book.

Gibsons...welcome to Recognition Country!

I could see this playing out again with Cayce and Peter.

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Originally posted by UberDog:

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Originally posted by jbx:

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Originally posted by Gustave:

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Originally posted by iammyme:
[snip]...Lastly, it was genius for WG to pair Cayce and Parkaboy up. Loved it.

As much as I loved the book (and others) I always cringe when an author does something like this. It feels like an overly obvious cop-out to me, a little too "here's your happy ending, tied up in a bow".

But maybe I'm just a grump that hates happy endings... or endings in general. Reality just isn't like that - as fantastic as things may get. The only real ending is death and culturally we identify that as "not happy".

If prior Gibson work is any indicator they'll have broken up sometime prior to the 3rd book.

1st books have "Happy" endings (the breakup part being in the coda of Neuro, tho made more explicit in MLO), the 3rd features them getting back together.

Rydell\Chevette
Bobby\Angie

Not a perfect track record for fitting my little theory, but consistent enough that I think we can be assured they didn't live happily ever after.


You know, provided there is a 3rd Pattern Spook book.

Gibsons...welcome to Recognition Country!

I could see this playing out again with Cayce and Peter.

I think it's a pretty sweet framing device. Resolve the love story and resolve the story arc at the same time. The "happy ending" (not that kind, pervs!) to the trilogy and the romance.

It's a cliche, the riding off in to the sunset, but it's also that there's nothing there afterwards. They just ride away forever. Like the series themselves.

Perhaps we could also look to the yin\yang male\female dynamic of the books as well as representing underlying themes in the world thus created.

That is the key "female" principle of the Bridge is Chevette and the key "male" principle is Rydell, and so forth.

Well, in that scenario Chevette would possibly represent the pliable, the maleable, the soft female aspect against the hard male aspect. She is the one who is comfortable with change, who has grown up inside it, who has lived in the interstitial community and done well.

Rydell has stuck to the institutions of the state and been consistently flummoxed, he has attempted to find definition of himself in exterior systems and failed, whereas Chevette has had to define herself on its own terms and has done so.

Yet, Rydell, in the hard male aspect, does not give in, he fights, and it is this that consistently saves Chevette and others. The very ember of Rydellness which will simply "go for it" and not back down is the impetus by which the trilogy actually finds action against the systems of the world which overwhelm the individuals. Rydell fights DataAmerica, he fights Harwood, he fights for things he thinks are right in a world that is rather beyond caryying about things like morality.

Rydell perhaps represnts the past, but a necessary aspect of it while Chevette the future, but a tentative uncertain one which needs a steady had to guide it.

This is all of course way too much speculation and contextualizing.

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This is all of course way too much speculation and contextualizing.

But it's so much FUN tho.

In linguistics they don't say "THE Grammar", they say, "A grammar". Borges opines that there is not THE translation of a work, but simply a potentially infinite series of "A translation".

I wonder as well if Cayce will reappear of if, like her namesake, she'll never show up again, but we'll get more Boone or Parkaboy.

Boone is pretty dry as a character. Peter Gilbert could be interesting, he could produce the comeback of The Curfew or Tito's putative band in Vancouver.

I don't know that he could sustain himself as a POV character though. I still want to see a section with the letters of Phaedra from the 60's Situationist movement.

Dear Hubertus,

It is a shame that your father insisted on spiriting you away to Berne while I explore the deeper aspects of being human here in Paris. he hasn't a shred of elan vital, that man, as you by now well know.

I get up before dwan and walk the banks of the Siene, it is somethinging then, glassy and nascent in the early light...

and so on...

One of the characters could be putting a biography together on Bigend and Bigend wants to hush it up as it makes him the readily apparent center of what is supposed to be a no-there marketing buzz trick. But he realizes that imminent porosity works both ways and is rather powerless to fight the impending book and so goes about faking a whole storied history for himself or, more likely, ignoring it all together.