Has anyone made "footage"? I mean, as a fan thing, or sometheng unrelated, just someone futzing around, or something? I suppose if they had some one would have mentioned it, but I was just curious...

Dave III

i don't think it's been done, but i'm sure some of the fine folks around here would do a smashing bloody job of it.

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Originally posted by charmakarmacat:
i don't think it's been done, but i'm sure some of the fine folks around here would do a smashing bloody job of it.

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Do you mean that it a good way or a bad way? ^_~ It looks like it could be a lot of fun, if effort intensive.

Dave III

oh, i mean in the best way. there's good taste and artistic sensibility aplenty 'round these parts.

I made footage once, and posted it on the net.

Unfortunately, it got me arrested.

I don't know why. What we recorded was between two consenting adults.

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Originally posted by Dave III:
Has anyone made "footage"? I mean, as a fan thing, or sometheng unrelated, just someone futzing around, or something? I suppose if they had some one would have mentioned it, but I was just curious...

Dave III

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Well, I kind of started a low-bandwidth (ie still pictures) footage site, making a mysterious posting here that pointed to the site called F:F:F. At first, the pictures had no text, just the embedded grid reference; but after a few weeks, I turned it into the current sense-of-place website.

There was, about a year ago when I first joined, an initiative to start something that was tenatively called the 'Garage Kubrick' project. If you do a search you will find it, I'm not sure how far they got, but at the time it was very well organized.

Yes, I joined that too, but it came to nothing. The guy organising it had some terrible problems with his site server and I think he lost interest.

I'm still willing to join any such venture. I've got web skills (see here), and some enthusiasm, and a few very old ideas

Ah yes, here is the garage kubrik thread.

The guy was zerodoug.

I've also checked out his sites and they are unpopulated now.

intriguing idea

So is this a project with a plot or one more like the pattern recognition where we gather web footage and transform it- webcams and such?

latter seems more doable and distributed etc

I think zerodoug was more interested in the design process and financing of co-operative artistic projects than he was in the projects themselves.

I know he was in touch with some Norwegian or Danish film makers as well as me and others in the WG world.

I was in the process of updating my "very old ideas" in the light of the current Net.

The general plan was for me to storyboard something that combined atmospheric movie with Web-puzzle; all other participants to have a go at my ideas; the movie makers to build a webbable set of moving images... that kind of thing. We were building a new artform here.

The previous project of this sort that I worked on was The Wicked Witch Project - regrettably, the site no longer exists - which was a movie parody of the Blair Witch Project set in the world and characters of The Wizard of Oz. In this, Joe Barlow used ideas people from all over the world. I did some of the publicity web site, and they used a few of my ideas in the movie itself.

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The Wicked Witch Project -

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Here's a clip from the movie:
the "sorry" scene

Anyway, I'm not the 'droid you are looking for if you want an organiser / co-ordinator / facilitator / publiciser. That was zerodoug's bag, and very glad I was to have the prospect of a good project manager, because I've always been more keen on the design and the nuts'n'bolts of a project than the recruitment, planning and overview. Have we any volunteers here?

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As a project I think this could be successful if we simply have work coming in. Have a drop site. The film comes in and everybody can take a look at it. Then someone can sign it out for editing (i.e. only 1 edit ongoing) and then when it comes back in everyone votes on whether it or the original (which will stay unaltered at the website) is better. Rinse and repeat. In this way limited resources can be spent on creation for those you like that or editing or music or special effects or whatever.

I would suggest that all footage be created at a standard resolution. That way even wildly disparate clips would have some kind of continuaty.


As an aside, I forgot all about this board and have only now (due to Gibson's reblogging) wandered back - Last time I was here was when ARC's off eBay were down to 35-40 US which is what I bought mine at.

Well, there are a few questions we ought to ask ourselves, such as "How close should it be to PR's description?"

I'm prepared to fund the website and domain name, but only if we get a respectable number of volunteer contributors.

Rather then matching the footage mentioned in the book(especially considering WG describes only a few clips), why not stick with the theme?

i.e. A growing sense of loneliness and the fact that nothing can be matched to more then a general date in time or place. Say 1900 to 1940. The prewar and interwar years. Indeterminate location, probably (possibly?) Europe. Any other ideas on this out there?

Also is this going to be new footage. Found and heavily modified footage, or a combination?

Questions that to be answered:
How long should footage be? Min. a minute, max 10 min? What rez? If possible 720p or 1080i HDTV? If anyones seen Collateral they film with digital. Very nice look. Noticibly not film, but still good looking.


Currently lack a laptop (I'm getting a 12" PowerBook soon, without Final Cut Pro or Motion for the time being though), however I would be perfectly happy to come up with ideas and/or flesh out other's ideas into a script.

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My friends and I are in the process of making some footage. We're all big Pattern Recognition fans.

Hopefully we'll get it done, and you'll know it when you see it! But more likely is that no one willever find it or take an interest, since things in reality are often not similar to things in speculative fiction novels. Oh well.

PS - we have digital watermarking too. Feel our postmodern power!

Torq,

Can you show us any examples yet?

My experience of digital watermarking is that it fattens up the files to a terrible extent. In a movie clip, this may tend to make them less palatable to the user.

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Originally posted by electricmonk:
Rather then matching the footage mentioned in the book(especially considering WG describes only a few clips), why not stick with the theme?

i.e. A growing sense of loneliness and the fact that nothing can be matched to more then a general date in time or place. Say 1900 to 1940. The prewar and interwar years. Indeterminate location, probably (possibly?) Europe. Any other ideas on this out there?

Also is this going to be new footage. Found and heavily modified footage, or a combination?

Questions that to be answered:
How long should footage be? Min. a minute, max 10 min? What rez? If possible 720p or 1080i HDTV? If anyones seen Collateral they film with digital. Very nice look. Noticibly not film, but still good looking.


Currently lack a laptop (I'm getting a 12" PowerBook soon, without Final Cut Pro or Motion for the time being though), however I would be perfectly happy to come up with ideas and/or flesh out other's ideas into a script.

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If we're going this route, then I agree the ideal of timelessness and Europeanishness. Both of these can be achieved without actually filming in Europe, of course. We do need a consistent set / pair of actors in timeless clothing, too.

How about the L-shaped structure? I suspect we should start with that if possible.

Length? I would say typically a minute or less.

New or Modified? Has to be carefully controlled and framed New, really. OK, it can be edited, but I suspect that modifying it in the manner implied by the RenderFarm of the book would be a different level of effort.

Nope, no examples yet! Next Feb. or March, more likely. This stuff takes time, you know! We must edit it extensively in order to make it worthy of the name "footage".

As for watermarking, we have a software that allows us to watermark compressed mpeg files. Of course, unlike the watermarking technique used in Pattern Recognition, these watermarks are quite easy to read if you have the software. That doesn't necessarily help you trace it...