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So what's your take on this passage in "The Source" (Chapter 12)?

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He found that he was imagining himself as Tom Sawyer, Brown as Huckleberry Finn, and these rooms in the New Yorker, and in the other hotels they kept returning to, as their raft, with Manhattan as their chilly Mississippi, down which they floated-


This bit really stuck out for me... in an incongruous and further irritating manner. What manner of pearl might be cultured from this irritation? A square one perhaps...


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True.

Milgrim's most powerful waking dream, in my opinion.

What to make of it? I've no answers, only questions.


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Seems to be more of a comment on the non-stop Manhattan experience as the unstoppable Mississippi. Of course there is always the parallel that Huck has to live with Widow Douglas (Whoever is controlling Brown.Wink) The Widow Douglas makes Huck stay clean and stay on the straight and narrow. Huck wishes he could be like Tom who is more intelligent and can do what he wants.
Tom says to Huck at one point as Milgrim insinuates to Brown "Why haint you read any books at all?"

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Eric-- I didnt see that parallel-- need to re-read Mark Twain. Hope I can find him.
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Much later:

No-- that's Bodily Harm-- Margaret Atwood.

Why do I lend all the books I love?

Wanted: Did you borrow this from me?

 
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Also _The Adventures of Tom Sawyer_ Check the explaination of quote #5.

Also, while Milgrim does fear for his life at one point and expresses it, he effectively secures a better livelihood through his language abilities and makes Brown his free dealer like Tom tricking people into doing his fence whitewash work.


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Thanks guys-- I know now why I love Milgrim :-)
Not wanting to over-interpret, but Milgrim's Progress and Bunyan is another possible... if we were lit students, which we are not.
 
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Originally posted by Gustave:
So what's your take on this passage in "The Source" (Chapter 12)?

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He found that he was imagining himself as Tom Sawyer, Brown as Huckleberry Finn, and these rooms in the New Yorker, and in the other hotels they kept returning to, as their raft, with Manhattan as their chilly Mississippi, down which they floated-


This bit really stuck out for me... in an incongruous and further irritating manner. What manner of pearl might be cultured from this irritation? A square one perhaps...


I'm pretty sure, if anything, this comes from too places. A certain wide eyed innocence that Milgrim gets when high coupled with his perspective of Brown's simpler, more traditionally America America which is gone, which is lost. Just like Huck's innocence as he comes of age and learns about injustice, just as all those days are gone. In the same tangential rooms off old Georgian hallways, rooms that contain large eyed Eagles, that contain old Navy Sports jackets, that contain a boyhood very much like the one that America seems to be trying to reinvent. When things were simpler and one could act out as a impetuous child, feel entitled and act with impunity.

Brown and his ilk are naieve, they are child-like. They take complex affairs and distill them into colloquial notions of morality. They believe in an America that never was. Like Huck, until he learns how bad it is for Jim, sees the America that really exists, under the veneer of pride, idiotic optimism and excusable cruelty.

He compares them to children when he writes about the time when the grown ups used to be in charge.

But Tom and Huck are now, down the Mississippi, just like Milgrim, who isn't a grown up but recognizes it while Brown and Co. are kids who think they're adult.

That is what the passage gets at for me, though I think Gibson would shrug and move on to the next query after saying something about liking the imagery.


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Originally posted by Gustave:
So what's your take on this passage in "The Source" (Chapter 12)?

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He found that he was imagining himself as Tom Sawyer, Brown as Huckleberry Finn, and these rooms in the New Yorker, and in the other hotels they kept returning to, as their raft, with Manhattan as their chilly Mississippi, down which they floated-


This bit really stuck out for me... in an incongruous and further irritating manner. What manner of pearl might be cultured from this irritation? A square one perhaps...


I'm pretty sure, if anything, this comes from too places. A certain wide eyed innocence that Milgrim gets when high coupled with his perspective of Brown's simpler, more traditionally America America which is gone, which is lost. Just like Huck's innocence as he comes of age and learns about injustice, just as all those days are gone. In the same tangential rooms off old Georgian hallways, rooms that contain large eyed Eagles, that contain old Navy Sports jackets, that contain a boyhood very much like the one that America seems to be trying to reinvent. When things were simpler and one could act out as a impetuous child, feel entitled and act with impunity.

Brown and his ilk are naieve, they are child-like. They take complex affairs and distill them into colloquial notions of morality. They believe in an America that never was. Like Huck, until he learns how bad it is for Jim, sees the America that really exists, under the veneer of pride, idiotic optimism and excusable cruelty.

He compares them to children when he writes about the time when the grown ups used to be in charge.

But Tom and Huck are now, down the Mississippi, just like Milgrim, who isn't a grown up but recognizes it while Brown and Co. are kids who think they're adult.

That is what the passage gets at for me, though I think Gibson would shrug and move on to the next query after saying something about liking the imagery.


Aye to your interpretation and to Gib's probable reply.

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I noticed I used the wrong form of "two" in my post, alas.


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