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Add that I read Spanish and practise fencing with a Cuban exile

Occidental or kendo? I used to practice kendo (currently I'm looking forward to reopen my schedule to do that, for I've to pay about US$1K/month at my club but have little chance to enjoy the benefits...).

About the music: I've already some (2 directly connected to Oxum and several other "pontos") MP3 files (CC) that I intend to link to this forum tonight (provided I'm able to get home at any civilized time).

I am consulting in network/data security in a place that the managers are used to visit pornography sites and things like that... So the time I get free to go home is highly stochastic).

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With the Cuban teacher, epee, Western fencing. He was a member of the Cuban olympic team before defecting, getting married, gaining some 25 kg... I also practice historical Spanish style and some free style sabre and rapier and dagger. Not as often as I should.

As I said in other thread, he was initiated in the Guerreros at the same time he got his Catholic confirmation, and both mattered practically the same compared to his true love, steel (in the Conan way...).

I just uploaded the salutation to the Orixás in: Ponto de Saudação aos Orixás

I am finding a more reliable server to put the content. Meanwhile I'll be creating a shoutcast for all the other "pontos"...

Ok. Now I added the "Saudação a Exú" where Exu = Elegbara = Elleguá...
Saudação a Exú

And also the "Saudação a Oxum" where Oxum = Ochun = Oshun...
Saudação a Oxum

As I told before, I am finding a more stable place to put the content (HD is crashing...)

Oxóssi (Oshosi)

Known as great hunter or "odé", Oxóssi is the provider orishá.

His tools are the "ofá" (bow and arrow) and the erukerè (device to keep flies away) made from horse tail hair. His day is Thursday and his dominion are the forests. His color is light blue (Candomblé) or green (Umbanda). He is sincretized as St. Sebastian or St. Jorge (Bahia).



His foods can be found at: Comidas de Oxossi and you'll see that he enjoys maize, pumpkin and shrimps.



Oxóssi salute word is "Okê Arô". His qualities (modalities) are, among several others: Otin, Inlé adn Ibualama. Ibualama or Inlé is a quality of Oxóssi, husband of Oxum. As the other Oxossis he is hunter, king of Ketu, uses the "ofá" (bow and arrow) and eats hunting meat.

Otin, "a blue Oxóssi" uses a side purse and a spear.




To end this, I'll put the link to an interesting interview (unfortunately in Portuguese, but if you're able to read Spanish you'll be able to read this...). Indicates the role of the woman in Candomblé.

Link to the interview

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Oshosi (Rule of Osha Ifá)



Oshosi is one of the Orisha Oddé, commonly called Los Guerreros. One of the first Orishas that are seated in. The hunter. He is linked with jail, justice and the pursued. The thought that can move anywhere or any time and grab anything. He handles weapons, starting from bow and arrow. The name comes from the Yoruba Osóssí (Osó: witch; Sísé; work; Sí: for; literally "who works through witchcraft"). He was king of Ketu (a Yoruba city state). He is the husband of Ochun.

His number is 3 and its multiples. His color is blue and his collars are made of alternating blue and coral, or in other cases seven blue and seven yellow beads. His sincretic saint is St. Norbert (6th of June).

He talks through the second diloggún, Ellioko (which you mentioned was Ejìoko in the buzios, close enough).

His power objects are bow and arrow, and a jail. His dress is lilac or light purple, with a tigerskin hat and purse.

The offerings are similar, with an emphasis on hunted birds. When he descends on someone, that person will dance simulating the drawing and firing of a bow.

Your links are giving me trouble to connect, so I cannot comment on them. There is a Cuban hip hop band, Orishas, that originally used some santería themes but now are much more international.

I have tried to connect too, and cannot. I would like to hear these tracks.
You could maybe try hosting them on Sendspace or Rapidshare?

The server I was using crashed completely this weekend... I am recovering the files (I have backups) and I'll put them somewhere else (MySpace or something like that).

As soon as I fix up everything I'll post it back in this list. I'm sorry for the inconvenience... and very upset with the maintenance people...

Besides, I have a rar file with lots (really) of "pontos" and I have an AVI file that I cannot put in the net (copyrighted). It is a documentary, but I cannot find it in the rentals nor in video-clubs... If I can't do otherwise I'll try to contact the director and try to get auth to put it somewhere where people can watch it.

There's always something to pull your hair out about when it comes to technology. Why does everything always take about three times as long as you think it's going to? Thanks for trying, anyway.

Sendspace/Rapidshare et al are generally the File Disseminators of choice for filesharing by MP3 sharers and DVD rippers because you can upload biggish files anonymously, post the URL somewhere and others can download them freely. Ahem.

Please, not MySpace!

Ok. I could restore some files.

For the moments I have links for 14 "pontos" for the orishas (orixás):

Ponto de Ewá
Ponto de Exú (Elegbara/Elleguá)
Ponto de Iansã
Ponto de Iemanjá
Ponto de Naná (Nanã)
Ponto de Obá
Ponto de Obaluaiê
Ponto de Ogum
Ponto de Ossanhê
Ponto de Oxalá
Ponto de Oxossi
Ponto de Oxumaré
Ponto de Oxum (Oshun)
Ponto de Xango (Shango)

Hope this time it works all right ...
I am working in some videos. Will post ASAP

In the following link you can see an excerpt of a ceremony for Ogum (the "orisha/orixá of war"). As presented here it is quite orthodox.

Gira de Ogum

Exú Bará



Here is the transliteration (to the Portuguese) of the Exú Bará ("Bará de Exú"). So, that's not in the correct Yoruba language...

EXÚ O LODÊ
EXÚ EXÚ O BARÁ LANÃ
BARÁ O LODÊ
EXÚ EXÚ O BARÁ LANÃ
AMODIBAU EXÚ
BARÁ
LANÃ EXÚ
BARÁ
EXÚ ADAGUE
BARÁ
EXÚ AGELÚ
BARÁ

LANÃ TIBOROCUM
IABADOIO BEM FARA

EUAMACHÊ ONIBA EXÚ ABANADÁ
EUAMACHÊ ONIBA EXÚ ABANADÁ

EUADEMI CHECHEMI
EUADEMI CHECHEMIRÊ

EXÚ DA LANA FUÁ
EXÚ DA LANA FUMALÉ

E BARÁ EXÚ DEMÍ
EXÚ DEMÍ EXÚ DEMÍ LANÃ
LANÃ EXÚ DEMÍ
EXÚ DEMÍ EXÚ DEMÍ LANÃ

ONIBARA BOUM EUALARUNDÊ AUÊ EXÚ LANÃ ONIBARA BOUM EUALARUNDÊ AUÊ EXÚ LANÃ
AMANICÓ ECÓNIBARÁ Ô BARABÔ BARÁ O ELEFA EXU LANÃ
ONIBARA BOUM EUALARUNDÊ AUÊ EXÚ LANÃ ONIBARA BOUM EUALARUNDÊ AUÊ EXÚ LANÃ
AMANICÓ ECÓNIBARÁ Ô BARABÔ BARÁ O ELEFA EXU LANÃ

AÊ AÊ ONIBARÁ Ô AÊ AÊ ONIBARA AMACELO OGUMUM AMACELO OGUMJÁ AÊ AÊ ONIBARA
AÊ AÊ ONIBARÁ Ô AÊ AÊ ONIBARA AMACELO OGUMUM AMACELO OGUMJÁ AÊ AÊ ONIBARA

EXÚ BARÁ O ELÉU ASSINHÔ
AÊ AÊ ONIBARA

ÓIA ÓIA
ÓIA O ELEFA

BARÁ IECUM CHECUM LODÁ BARÁ IECUM CHECUM LODÁ
BARÁ IECUM BARÁ CUNDÊO BARÁ IECUM CHECUM LODÁ BARÁ PORELUM
CHECUM LODÁ
BARÁ PORELUM
CHECUM LODÁ

PAPANHALE
PAPANHALE

EXÚ BARÁ OETAPAONIRE
BÁ LUFÃ BARÁ EXÚ QUEM QUÉ LUFÃ
BARÁ EXÚ
QUEM QUÉ LUFÃ

OQUE BARÁ OÉLE Ô EXÚ BARÁ OELÉ Ô MODIBARÁ ELEFA EPÔ
OQUE BARÁ OÉLE Ô EXÚ BARÁ OELÉ Ô MODIBARÁ ELEFA EPÔ


EXÚ DEMÍ MODIBARA EXÚ ADIO AMODIPAIM
EXÚ DEMÍ MODIBARA EXÚ ADIO AMODIPAIM

EXÚ LANA FOMIO EXÚ LANA FOMALÉU
EXÚ LANA FOMIO EXÚ LANA FOMALÉU

ALALUPAÔ
ALUPAGEMA
EXÚ BARÁ
ALALUPAGEMA
BARÁ BARÁ
ALALUPAGEMA
ÓIA BARÁ LUPAÔ
ALALUPAGEMA
ÓIA BARÁ LUPAÔ

BARÁ NO ECÓ TIRIRI LANÃ EXÚ TIRIRI LANÃ BARÁ QUE BARÁ EXÚ BARÁ EXÚ TIRIRI LANÃ
BARÁ NO ECÓ TIRIRI LANÃ EXÚ TIRIRI LANÃ BARÁ QUE BARÁ EXÚ BARÁ EXÚ TIRIRI LANÃ

EXÚ DA LANA SEMIASSEBÓ
EXÚ DA LANA SIEBÓ

BARUÁ GELÚ BARUÁ GELÚ AGEIPÓ BARUÁ GELÚ AGEIPÓ OIANIREU
BARUÁ GELÚ BARUÁ GELÚ AGEIPÓ BARUÁ GELÚ AGEIPÓ OIANIREU

EQUETUNEBARE SANABORO SOBODUM ELEBÓ
O LEBARIA VODUMA SANABORO LEBÁ

O LEBARIA VODUMA SAQUERÊQUEUÊ
O LEBARIA VODUMA SAQUERÊQUEUÊ

OIUMA DO CORO CORO CORO DO QUERE QUERE QUERE DO CORO CORO CORO BARUM ELEFA
OIUMA DO QUERE QUERE QUERE DO CORO CORO CORO DO QUERE QUERE QUERE BARUM ELEFA

LEBA DO OGUM FERERÊ
OGUM

BARÁ OTIM OTIM OTIM BARÁ
BARÁ OTIM OTIM OTIM BARÁ

BARÁ QUE BARÁ QUE BARÁ LAIO
BARÁ QUE BARÁ QUE BARÁ LAIO

BARÁ VODOLÚ VODOLÚA MODUMPÉO
BARÁ MIRAJÔ QUEREQUÊ AMODUMPÉO

ELEFA IAVODUM
IABADOIO BEM FARA

ELEBA Ô
TCHARAM TCHAM
ELEBA Ô
TCHARAM TCHAM

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quote:

Originally posted by cbarreto:
For the moments I have links for 14 "pontos" for the orishas.

That's great, thank you! Downloading Ponto de Ewá now.

Now, some videos.

The first one is little cheesy ("brega") but also interesting: Initiation in Candomblé

The second one is a "hipano" video showing music and representation for Oggún: Oggún Hispano

The third one is an interesting documentary about Umbanda and Candomblé in Brazil (made by some latino-american TV I guess...): Da Umbanda ao Candomblé. One interesting thing about this doc is that they chose a line of Umbanda nearer to Kardecism and presented Candomblé as "dark side". This posture was quite common during the first half of XX Century. Anyways it was useful because it helped to create a tolerance environment inside a clearly catholic society (not usually given to tolerance...). Nowadays, it is getting less common to find the "kardecist" lines of Umbanda and most temples are going back to the African origins. I myself have always been more kind to Candomblé in the way it is practiced in Bahia.

The place where the public ceremony takes place ("a gira") is called "roncó". It is important to note that in Portuguese áéíóú are read as àèìòù in French... ã and õ are read more or less as if you pronounce "can" pressing your nose with your fingers. ça is read more or less as "ssa" in "passage" The rest is just much similar to Spanish but you have to take care with the false cognates.

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BARÁ

Amachere onibá Exu abanada amachere onibá Exu abanada.

Responder: Amachere onibá Exu abanada amachere anibá Exu abanda.

Exu ademi chechemirê

Responder: Exu ademi chechemirê

Exu ademi chechemibará

Responder: Exu ademi chechemirê

Exu jalana fuá

Responder: Exu jalana fumalé

Exu jalana didê

Responder: Exu jalana fumalé

Exu o Lodê

Responder: Exu ecuo bará Ianã

Bará Exu

Responder: Bará

Lanã Exu

Responder: Bará

Lodê Exu

Responder: Bará

Alupagema

Responder: Alupagema

Alupao

Responder: Alupagema

Ai o que bará

Responder: Alupagema

Ai bará bará

Responder: Alupagema

Choni choni choni padô

Responder: Gam, gam, gam, gam, choni padô

Bará no ecó choni padô

Responder: Gam, gam, gam, gam, choni padô

Olebarábô alaroiê aexulanã olebarábô alaroiê aexulanã iamadecó eco de bará ogum talabô bará oeléfa exulanã

Responder: Olebarábô alaroiê aexulanã olebarábô alaroiê aexulanã iamadecó eco de bará ogum talabô bará oeléfa exulanã

Olebará aléo modibará oelefa epô

Responder: Olebará aléo modibará oelefa epô

Olebará o eléo

Responder: Ae ae olebará

Bará Exu berim

Responder: Exu berim Exu berim ianã

Lanã Exu berim

Responder: Exu berim Exu berim ianã

Ae ae olebaráo ae ae olebará amacelo ogum o amacelo ogum já ae ae olebarao

Responder: Ae ae olebaráo ae ae olebará amacelo ogum o amacelo ogum já ae ae olebarao

Oiá oiá

Responder: oiá eléfa

Exu Demi modibará com seu ajo modipaim

Responder: Exu Demi modibará com seu ajo modipaim

Baráramo Jecum Ioda baráramo jecum lodá eco barárundeo barárundeo baráramo jecum reum

Responder: Chegou Ioda

Barámo reum

Responder: Chegou Ioda

Papainhale

Responder: Papainhale

Exulana fomiô barálana fumaléo

Responder: Exulana fomiô exulana fumaléo

JEJE

Olebará iaboduma sanabore oeléba

Responder: Olebará iaboduma sanabore oeléba

Olebará iaboduma oaçaquere equeoue

Responder: Olebará iaboduma oaçaquere equeoue

Ocoro ocoro ocoro quere quere o eléfa iaboduma

Responder: Ocoro ocoro ocoro quere quere ocoro ocoro ocoro e eléfa iaboduma

Ogum léba Ogum farerê

Responder: Ogum

Ogum dae ae ae

Responder: Ogum dae anaisô

Ogum anira alasebó

Responder: Ogum anira alasebó

Ogum abéo Ogum anicéo Ogum anicéo Ogum

Responder: Ogum abéo Ogum anicéo Ogum anicéo Ogum

OGUM

Ogum ario ario Ogum quere

Responder: Ogum ario ario Ogum quere

Amajocô Ogun Io

Responder: Orumalé amajocô Ogum o orumalé

Abolelai oabachame siogun o oabachame siaolê Ogum

Responder: Abolelai oabachame siogun o oabachame siaolê Ogum

Ogum orum odô oamaconi ebó eloaboum anaisô oajabomiô

Responder: Ogum orum odô oamaconi ebó eloaboum anaisô oajaba mio

Ara Ogum orum odô

Responder: Ario ara Ogum orum odô ario

Erunde ococoeiro leoagareo

Responder: Erunde ococoeiro leoagareo

Ogum Ogum afoiba

Responder: Oamoro amofererê

Ogum Ogum o afabami

Responder: Oamoro amofererê

Iemanjá Lupetéo

Responder: Ogum Onira anaisô quereque

Sô sô sô

Responder: Ogum Onira anaisô quereque

Ogum adeiba

Responder: Adepa Ogum farerê

Ogum talabaichoro obeçeo Ogum o

Responder: Ogum talabaichoro obeçeo Ogum o

Ogum talajô

Responder: Ogum Iai Ogum lai Ogum

Ogum onira oaçeço ebó

Responder: Ogum onira oaçeço ebó

Oromiotala de orumalé

Responder: Oromiotala de orumalé

Ogum tala de tala Ogum

Responder: Oromiotala de orumalé

Onira opeê onira opê Ogum anirê Ogum onira ecoateuá Ogum anirê Ogum onira eoateuá Ogum anirê

Responder: Onira epeê onira opê Ogum anirê Ogum onira ecoateuá Ogum anirê Ogum onira eoateuá Ogum anirê

E Ogum feremi

Responder: Ara Ogum Ogum dê

E Ogum feriamã

Responder: Ara Ogum Ogum dê

Ara no areo ara no areo eoamaféqueoé

Responder: Ara Ogum Ogum dê

E oamaféqueoé

Responder: Ara Ogum Ogum dê

Ogum ademio

Responder: Eléfa tala ademio

E a ademio

Responder: Eléfa tala ademio

Ogum onira Ogum loro Ogum dalócha epê Ogum onira Ogum loro Ogum dalócha arumalé

Responder: Ogum onira Ogum loro Ogum dalócha epê Ogum onira Ogum loro Ogum dalócha arumalé

Ogum de anirê irê irê Ogum ló acaradeo anirê ire ire Ogum ló

Responder: Ogum de anirê irê irê Ogum ló acaradeo anirê ire ire Ogum ló

Abela muja abela mure

Responder: Abela muja oquereo

Oquereo

Responder: Oquicoro

Fará riri mafara biá mafara biá mafara Ogum

Responder: Fará riri mafara biá mafara biá mafara Ogum

Ogum talajó

Responder: Ogum ló Ogum ló Ogum

Ogum fará fará fará Ogum fará marajó

Responder: Ogum fará fará fará Ogum fará marajó

Onira opeê onira opeê Ogum anirê Ogum onira eoateuá Ogum anirê Ogum onira eoateuá Ogum anirê

Responder: Onira opeê onira opeê Ogum anirê Ogum onira eoateuá Ogum anirê Ogum onira eoateuá Ogum anirê

Calulu

Responder: Óia a bela muja

JEJE

Ogum fará fará fará Ogum fará marajó

Responder: Ogum fará fará fará Ogum fará marajó

Ogum Dae ae ae

Responder: Ogum dae anaisô

Ogum onira alasebó

Responder: Ogum dae anaisô

Ogum abeô Ogum anicéo Ogum anicéo Ogum anicéo Ogum

Responder: Ogum abeô Ogum anicéo Ogum anicéo Ogum anicéo Ogum

Ogum Macá Macá Cabecini Abeô

Responder: Ogum Macá Macá Cabecini Abeô

Ogum eléfa lai lai Ogum eléfa la lai

Responder: É de lai lai lai Ogum eléfa lai lai lai

É de lai lai Xangô edeue

Responder: É de lai lai Xangô edeue é de lai lai

Xangô edeue

Responder: É de lai lai Xangô edeue é de lai lai

Ogum edeue

Responder: É de lai lai Xangô edeue é de lai lai

Ogum onira Ogum loro

Responder: Oemaquere quere quere Ogum loro

OXUM

Taladê omiotala ieiê murajó

Responder: Oxum taladê

Oxum taladê omiotala de orumalé

Responder: Oxum taiadê

Oxum taladê omiotala ieiê murajó

Responder: Oxum taladê

Oxum taladê omiotala ieiemio

Responder: Oxum taladê

Alaueti Oxum.

Responder: Alareuá

Iebami Oxum peolomi iebami Oxum peolomi ieiepandá elufá tagarela iebami Oxum, peolomi

Responder: lebami Oxum peolomi iebami Oxum peolomi ieiepandá elufá tagarela iebami Oxum peolomi

Ieieo Oxum pererema

Responder: Ieieo Oxum pererema

Oieieoeleuati Oxum eleuati Oxum panda

Responder: Oieieoeleuati Oxum eleuati Oxum panda

Alassicum o

Responder: Eleuatiobá

Ogumpeni leuá

Responder: Omineóra oraora omineóra

Aubere aubere aueni Oxum

Responder: Aubere aubere aueni Oxum

Aoenio

Responder: Aubere aubere

Oxum épanda para éleo

Responder: Oxum épanda para éleo

Olomilo Oxum

Responder: Atonirê olomilo Oxum atonirê

Adunené abomio

Responder: Oxum pererê Oxum pererê

Aio éinho

Responder: Beleué Ieué Oxum beleué

Edibombeleio anupemio

Responder: Edibamboleio anupeauô

Achioxum pandalossimio

Responder: Orum eléu achioxum orum eléu

Pandá como come Oxum olodeo

Responder: Amaiorô Orixá oieiêo amaiorô

Pandalossimio

Responder: Ominilabauaxim

Pandalossimibeum

Responder: Ominilabaxaebó

Onimamilum

Responder: Aladê ieiê elum Oxum maguéti

Perere Ogum auma auma auma perere Ogum maréogum

Responder: Perere Ogum auma auma auma perere Ogum maréogum

Oadeo oire adeuá ominilaba adeo aire adeuá

Responder: Oadeo oire adeuá ominilaba adeo aire adeuá

Ominilaba

Responder: Adeo oire adeuá

Eloire iadocomio

Responder: Ie elomário

JEJE

Fia fia odé sapatafia amaodé siman

Responder: Fia fia odé sapatafia amaodé sim fia fia ode

Pandá suami

Responder: Pandá anareui

Three more musics. One is the Brazilian version for a previously presented Cuban version of bará. Very interesting to see differences in the accent, but the rest is equal.

Bará

Ogum

Oxum/Oshun

Nice YouTube video with the dance of Ogum (Ogun for Spanish speaking people) can be found at: Dança de Ogum.

Last week was Oxum's (or Oshun) feast. I'll try to find some photos...

Patacuri Ogum Ogunhê

Today the traditional ceremony of washing the stairway of "Nosso Senhor do Bom Fim" church in Salvador (Bahia, BR) was held by more than 1 million people.

The ceremony celebrates Oxalá.

For more info:

News on the ceremony

or

Explanation of ritual