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I thought I read that someone in another thread (that I would have appended to if I could find the thread) said that it would be cool if Bill would write some more Molly stories. It really would be cool.

There are fifteen years between Neuromancer and Mona Lisa Overdrive in which she does all sorts of interesting things. A book of short stories, or even a stand alone novel that outlines her life, would rock. She is probably my second or third favorite literary character (Gene Wolfe's Severian being the first, and Michael Moorcock's Elric being the other) and all the things she does in that time would make a great yarn. It could even outline her entire life, leaving out the parts we already know in detail as a brief reference (in true Gibson style, where a single phrase or sentence gives a glimpse of an entire reality).

Oh, and in case anyone thinks I am just hung up on the Sprawl trilogy, I've read all the rest as well, except Spook Country , which is about to get ingested.
 
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In only Teh Gibz was a genre niche novelist in a more traditional mode.

Maybe we could ghost write it for him?

One line at a time.

Here, I'll start:

"Hyper Ninjas? You've got to be joking..."
 
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I'd like to see Gibson team up with an illustrator this time and produce a graphic novel. Since after all we do need to redefine the style that is Cyberpunk. Blade Runner is too obsolete. I think Gibson would work well if he actually intentionally wrote something for visual representation.


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Wait, why does cyberpunk need to get updated?

I know your "Mr" and all, but cyberpunk is pretty much over. Like industrial music and skinny piano ties, man.

Post modern irony is all that's left for it, I'm afraid.

Perhaps we need a poll...
 
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There are fifteen years between Neuromancer and Mona Lisa Overdrive in which she does all sorts of interesting things. A book of short stories, or even a stand alone novel that outlines her life, would rock. She is probably my second or third favorite literary character (Gene Wolfe's Severian being the first, and Michael Moorcock's Elric being the other) and all the things she does in that time would make a great yarn. It could even outline her entire life, leaving out the parts we already know in detail as a brief reference (in true Gibson style, where a single phrase or sentence gives a glimpse of an entire reality).

that would be crazy-amazing.
love Molly.

a graphic novel might be cool, but if i had a choice i'd pick a written novel. keep my visuals, you know?


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NICENESS AND DISAPPOINTMENT

While "surfing" the site on LodgeNet, in that Chicago hotel room, I fumbled past a post from a reader declaring that PR sucks, and very badly indeed. He had had a brief moment of hope when Cayce headbutted the guy in Tokyo, but then, alas, he had found that it all (as he read it) went back to nice people doing nice things to one another. Actually I had expected more of this, as I know that a certain part of my readership will always (literature being magically atemporal) be looking for the deep-fried anomie of NEUROMANCER. There's nothing really to be done for this either way, except to recommend, for those of you needing a hit of deep-fried anomie, Robert Stone's DOG SOLDIERS. This is a book I always forget to mention when people ask about NEURO influences. But it definitely was one. I remember finishing it and wondering what it might have been like if it had been reframed as science fiction. Absolute zero niceness; fine book.


I was going to say "mouthbreathers", but I must have mellowed.


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Nothing dies. It mutates or is reborn as something else.

Cyberpunk as a label might be considered old but then again we are living on the cusp of an era where many of the things that cyberpunk predated are true. Sure, we don't have Fuller Domes and hovercraft, people probably will not be able to get surgically implanted metal bits much more than a pin or plate, let alone data jacks, but these things are really just the window dressing, aren't they?

Molly is a 21st Century Mike Hammer to me. She kicks ass and takes names, then maybe tosses the name in the trash if it no longer interests her. She is a cat who declares turf until she gains no further stimulus from it. She is also much more, and that is what could be derived from such a work as I was discussing. It is not just Molly flicking her nails at people that make her cool, it is all the things she says, the ironic turns in her course of action that she makes. I would hope that a true fan of the "Work of William Gibson" would see that.

Besides, who says the stuff the Bill isn't writing now isn't still "cyberpunk"? Cyberpunk isn't all mirrorshades and cyberdecks. It is a philosophy, a way of looking at things. I am not sure what post modern irony is other than three words.

Or is it two?
For the record, I have read and enjoyed everything that Bill has written except Agrippa and Spook Country, which is sitting on my shelf awaiting its turn, so it is not like I am one of those people who want to only see the same old thing over and over.
 
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I would say that your definition of Cyberpunk does not fit with many other people's. Molly remains always a secondary character, which can be noticed by the fact that we never get her viewpoint, except mediated through Case.

What you mention resembles more Future Noir than Cyberpunk. Michael Marshall Smith is a great writer in that vein, though all his main characters are male. In One of Us there is however a great Molly channeling in the character of Helena.


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Nothing dies. It mutates or is reborn as something else.

For the record, I have read and enjoyed everything that Bill has written except Agrippa and Spook Country, which is sitting on my shelf awaiting its turn, so it is not like I am one of those people who want to only see the same old thing over and over.


I'm saying cyberpunk, as a genre, is done. I'm saying cyberpunk mutated into contemporary reality and any notion of the trappings of the old genre would seem quaint by today's real-live-reality.

I'm saying smuggling data in an iPod isn't even cyberpunk anymore, I have friends that use their iPods almost exclusively to drag crap around.

I'm saying that the genre, minus the techno acrobatics, is actually noir with a dose of Pynchon, I'm saying you can't have it without all the techno tropes and the like, and today, that just isn't believable.

I'm saying that stuff like Altered Carbon and whatever is, to me, silly and dated.

But I was never into cyberpunk as a literary movement, I was into William Gibson.
 
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There's nothing really to be done for this either way, except to recommend, for those of you needing a hit of deep-fried anomie, Robert Stone's DOG SOLDIERS.


SOB-ing Gib. Made me look up anomie AND Dog Soldiers.

Surprise! For the first time, a Gib reccomendation passed my first page smell test! In fact, it reminds me of Gib's graceful way of putting you in the tale in media res without making it obvious.

I'm not big on deep-fried anomie, but I am big on certain narrative skills.


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A Molly-verse... Maybe a crossover with Wolverine?
 
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In case you didn't know, DOG SOLDIERS was filmed as "Who'll Stop the Rain." Starring young Nick Nolte, William Hurt and Tuesday Weld. Not quite as bleak as the Stone novel, but still a pretty dark movie.
 
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Or maybe Spiderman can accidentally jump through a wormhole into a Cyberpunk universe (no shit this actually happened! Big Grin I was like.. its stupid.. it makes no sense! but it still feels sorta cool Big Grin)


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In case you didn't know, DOG SOLDIERS was filmed as "Who'll Stop the Rain." Starring young Nick Nolte, William Hurt and Tuesday Weld. Not quite as bleak as the Stone novel, but still a pretty dark movie.


I *wondered*! The book synopsis seemed familiar.

I still find myself singing

'Way out on the indian nation...'


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Dog Soldiers was such a great novel. I don't want to see the film.


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Imagine if Sterling and Gibson had *shared* the Sprawl. Mutual franchising.

"You world is too small," said Gibson. "It's starting to smell funny."

"Well, your world is running headlong into an impassable singularity moment," said Sterling.

A deal was struck.

"Just stay away from Molly, dude. She's MINE."


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And then Sterling can write a happy ending where Molly and Case get together to build furniture out of used computers :P And then it all starts to resemble Captain Planet a bit too much lol


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Sterling gets new vocal cords in Chiba City. Lord knows he needs 'em.


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Personality ROMs of Teh Gibz and Sterlz writing "new" books in a private simulation of the early 80s. Zeitgeist in a bottle.

Genetic Algos of each author competing their books against themselves in virtual space. Iterative Neuromancers, each one more punched-up and punked-out than the last.
 
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You're scaring me. Step away from the mirror of infinite regression and look up to the stars. Omigod, they're, they're the color of blank TV!


...s blinking on, one by one, without any fuss...

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