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I do too.

In Le Chicle, the gum theme bar, Arleigh tells Laney they sell pick me ups full of liquid nicotine. Wouldn't liquid nicotine be poison enough to kill you?

Or does it have to be concentrated to a certain degree before it does that?

I am Colin Laney, B-Chip.
 
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Lo told me a story once, about a job he'd had. he worked for a soup vendor in Hong Kong, a wagon on the sidewalk. He said that they'd never cleaned the kettle. In fact, they'd never stopped cooking the soup. It was the same seafood soup they'd been selling for fifty years., but it was never the same, becuase they added fresh ingredients every day, depending on what was available. he said that was what his career as a musician felt like, and he liked that about it.

Between Laney's ability and this quote, i think we have a good abstract as to Bill's view of his process as filtered through he subconsciousness.

I asked him about it once, suggested the soup was the Jungian sea of pop-culture. he clearly thought I had apophneia, told me the soup was something he'd been told about, some guy on a ship that made chili that never stopped cooking.

I still like my theory.
 
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The liquid nicotine pick me up is on sale in the Netherlands (the West takes so long to catch up to the Japanese). It's 15% nicotine.


»» "Forget infinity. I've got books waiting for me to read them." — colin
»»"Speculative novels of last Tuesday." — William Gibson
 
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I think the 15% tip also goes with Laney being something of an upper-middle-class asshole. I don't know how he got that way after growing up in an orphanage, but it's definitely true, at least until he ends up in that cardboard box.

I was impressed by how concisely WG established this class identity for Laney. Just one word: "Loser."
 
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True. Of all Gibson's POV characters prior to Cayce, I think Laney is the only one who ever went to college.

No, wait, Marly would have gone to college too.

Shit, and Yamazaki.

Certainly not Case, Turner, Bobby, Angie, Slick Henry, Mona, Kumi...

The theory falls flat, alas.
 
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Lo told me a story once, about a job he'd had. he worked for a soup vendor in Hong Kong, a wagon on the sidewalk. He said that they'd never cleaned the kettle. In fact, they'd never stopped cooking the soup. It was the same seafood soup they'd been selling for fifty years., but it was never the same, becuase they added fresh ingredients every day, depending on what was available. he said that was what his career as a musician felt like, and he liked that about it.

soup vendors...
food similarities have always struck me in WG's writing.
all the eggs (with rice, with salsa, with corn chips) in Count Zero.
and then in the Bridge trilogy there are these references to soup vendors, Lo's Hong Kong employer and then Thai Johnny on the Bridge with Chevette and Skinner.
i have no theory, i've just noticed.


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Poor people's food, street food?


»» "Forget infinity. I've got books waiting for me to read them." — colin
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Originally posted by UberDog:
Lo told me a story once, about a job he'd had. he worked for a soup vendor in Hong Kong, a wagon on the sidewalk. He said that they'd never cleaned the kettle. In fact, they'd never stopped cooking the soup. It was the same seafood soup they'd been selling for fifty years., but it was never the same, becuase they added fresh ingredients every day, depending on what was available. he said that was what his career as a musician felt like, and he liked that about it.

soup vendors...
food similarities have always struck me in WG's writing.
all the eggs (with rice, with salsa, with corn chips) in Count Zero.
and then in the Bridge trilogy there are these references to soup vendors, Lo's Hong Kong employer and then Thai Johnny on the Bridge with Chevette and Skinner.
i have no theory, i've just noticed.


The never-ending, always-cooking soup bowl repeats at least three times: once in VL, once in Idoru and once in Neuromancer in Chiba, I believe.
 
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The never-ending, always-cooking soup bowl repeats at least three times: once in VL, once in Idoru and once in Neuromancer in Chiba, I believe.

i knew there was another soup-reference. thanks!


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The never-ending, always-cooking soup bowl repeats at least three times: once in VL, once in Idoru and once in Neuromancer in Chiba, I believe.

i knew there was another soup-reference. thanks!


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soup vendors...
food similarities have always struck me in WG's writing.
all the eggs (with rice, with salsa, with corn chips) in Count Zero.
and then in the Bridge trilogy there are these references to soup vendors, Lo's Hong Kong employer and then Thai Johnny on the Bridge with Chevette and Skinner.
i have no theory, i've just noticed.


I also noticed Gibsons references to Mexican beer. It appears in some stories, in "Count Zero" and the movie "Johnny Mnemonic".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44FWPBFv-EU
 
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There is a Corona in VL.
 
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How can you hear an accent through text?


The same way we write "that's not what I said" when the fact is that it's now what we *wrote*.
 
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How can you hear an accent through text?


The same way we write "that's not what I said" when the fact is that it's now what we *wrote*.


Huh?

I think you are from 1926 Siam.
 
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On page 158 of the hardback Idoru that I have, Gomi Boy explains the backstory of his getting the computer and who he is. it seems unlikely he would do this for Chia. It's a fill-in for the reader but feels clunky to me.

Better, I think, for Chia to have asked Masahiko about Gomi Boy after the fact and he explain it to her. Feels forced this way.
 
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On page 158 of the hardback Idoru that I have, Gomi Boy explains the backstory of his getting the computer and who he is. it seems unlikely he would do this for Chia. It's a fill-in for the reader but feels clunky to me.

Better, I think, for Chia to have asked Masahiko about Gomi Boy after the fact and he explain it to her. Feels forced this way.

perhaps, but i always felt it kind of... tells you about Gomi Boy a little.
that he is the sort of person who over-explains, is rather formal.
Gomi Boy reminds me of Bobby Chombo. or is it the other way 'round?


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On page 158 of the hardback Idoru that I have, Gomi Boy explains the backstory of his getting the computer and who he is. it seems unlikely he would do this for Chia. It's a fill-in for the reader but feels clunky to me.

Better, I think, for Chia to have asked Masahiko about Gomi Boy after the fact and he explain it to her. Feels forced this way.

perhaps, but i always felt it kind of... tells you about Gomi Boy a little.
that he is the sort of person who over-explains, is rather formal.
Gomi Boy reminds me of Bobby Chombo. or is it the other way 'round?


For me, Bobby is a Sublett analog.
 
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I asked him about it once, suggested the soup was the Jungian sea of pop-culture. he clearly thought I had apophneia, told me the soup was something he'd been told about, some guy on a ship that made chili that never stopped cooking.

I still like my theory.


You actually did talk to William Gibson personally? I'm jealous.
 
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You surely possess the same talent like Colin Laney.


It evokes an accent. Wink Accent extends beyond just pronunciation. For example, most native English speakers would not write that sentence I quoted the way you wrote it. I might write, "You must have the same kind of talent as Colin Laney."

I do realize you're just fooling around, but I also find the broader topic of how our native language influences our thought patterns fascinating.



True. Even to me the sentence I wrote sounds strange. And no, I'm not fooling around at all.
 
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How can you hear an accent through text?


The same way we write "that's not what I said" when the fact is that it's now what we *wrote*.


That's now what I didn't write. Typos are the secret of time travel
Huh?

I think you are from 1926 Siam.
 
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