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Found this alleged rant from candidate director of Neuromancer film, Joseph Kahn:

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Variety blew my cover over the weekend. This is the screenplay I've been working on for the last two years.

As to the backlash.

There's going to be a backlash. You have to be nuts or stupid to take on a monster like this. I knew what I was getting myself into. Stanley Kubrick could take this on and he'd have a 14 year old in Iowa blogging on how wack the cgi effects were in 2001, and then on the otherhand a 45 year old child molestor completely insistant nothing will ever look as good as the visuals in his own head.

And they'd both hate Torque.

I could see how the combination of the Britney Spears director with William Gibson is a controversial choice. But the problem is, the summation of my career is not Britney Spears. I've done plenty of "cred" videos: Moby, Chemical Brothers, Korn, U2, Muse to name a few. The headlines sound attractively pessimistic to slap the successful pop example of my work to a supposedly nihilistic work like Neuromancer. It really just demonstrates how little most people know of the music video world and how it pertains to filmmaking.

For instance, before David Fincher became the dark auteur that fanboys salivate over, he made his name doing…Paula Abdul videos. And hard core Michael Bay with his rumbling guns and explosions made…Meatloaf videos, as well as…The Divinyls "I Touch Myself." Those of you in the music video business know the score and understand why this is.

I guess this is turning into a defense of myself, so I will defend myself.

The other complaint lodged at me is that my movie Torque basically sucked. It's either a sell out piece of commercial crap, or an incompetant long form music video, or both, and it's a sure sign I'm clueless as a filmmaker. And to all of this, I'll say: they're wrong.

Making your first movie under the Hollywood studio system is hard. It's the hardest thing I've ever done. I'm telling you honestly with no exaggeration: you have no clue what it's like to be put through that studio grinder and retain any sort of authorship. The politics, the pressure, the scapegoating, the interference, the pure physicality of an intense 70 day shoot, the budget hysterics, the permeating sense of fear and negativity from everyone. Torque is not 100% of what I wanted, but I'm proud of what it is, because at the end of the day, after going through this studio machine that blends movies together into mediocrity, it split people. Some hated it, others loved it. Some actually had both reactions at the same time. Whatever it was, it wasn't safe. The ice cream on the cone couldn't be digested without a strong opinion. That's a tall order for an Ice Cube biker flick. Your welcome.

So that's one of the reasons why "they" hired me to do Neuromancer, and make no mistake, Gibson is one of "them." There's no way in hell I'm on this without at least a half disinegnous grunt of approval from him. Yes, Chris Cunningham was attached to this years ago and you may think him as a far cooler director than me, but he quit. HE QUIT. Understand? Sorry. He abandoned the baby on the doorstep, and it will never come to daddy again.

I'm on it because I am nuts, and I am stupid, and I will throw everything I have at making a book that's been ripped off left and right and considered impossible to adapt…work. I've spent my whole life making things. People who don't know me seem to dismiss me as some cliché blinged out music video director, and even if that jealous perception were true then remember this - I started with nothing. No contacts in Hollywood, no money, nothing. All I've ever had to survive is the dedication to my craft. All I know how to do is make things, and if Neuromancer is on my plate, I am going to make it. That's why this film finally has a chance at getting made.

Now here we are and all I know is this: the movie in my head rocks. I've already watched it, I just need to execute. Is it Gibson's vision? Not quite. There's no way this film can ever achieve what Gibson did. He practically changed the world and how we imagined ourselves growing up into it. The novel is always going to be the superior work of art. The book's a legitimate work of genius in a millenial way, not the Richard Roeper thumbs up way. I'm working on a two hour movie, so it's my distillation of his vision into a much shorter form. Compomises and interpretation will be required, and the personal issues I chose to focus on will be the things that turn me on about the book. So at the end of the day, there's wiggle room: the good shit is his, the bad shit is mine.

But when it gets made, maybe on some level, everyone will be ecstatic to see some version of it moving on a movie screen, like when a parent is happy to see their toddler draw a crayon of the sun. If I'm lucky, maybe even Gibson himself will dig it.

So there it is.

I only have one more thing to say.

When Variety broke the story, this is how they described me:

Joseph Kahn, a Korean-American commercials director who made "Torque" for Warren Bros., has inked to direct.

What the fuck does my race have to do with directing Neuromancer?


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So, assuming this is genuine what think ye?

My $0.02. Guy sounds like an asshole, but no secret that's a prerequisite for any Hollywood director. Also interesting that he insists Gibson gave him at least a "disingenuous grunt"(!?) of approval. Also he references "compromises and interpretation" so it's certainly going to be, er, compromised.

I think the problem here is, most Gibson readers don't trust people who'd say something "rocks" in an unironic way. When William Gibson says something "rocks" he's probably making fun of it. Joseph Kahn doesn't see that. In fact, his "disingenuous grunt" was probably telling Kahn he thought 'Torque' "rocked". Razz

*Sigh* it's gonna be crap, although this semi-bright and earnest arsehole is gonna swear he really tried.

One last thing re: Kahn's question about his race and Variety. 'Joseph Kahn' sounds as Jewish as a Hebrew National kosher weiner and without the qualification I can imagine half of the Los Angeles readership of Variety going, "hey, I think I know the guy!"

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From knowing nothing about Joseph Kahn, I'm liking him more and more.

Lets face it, the guy actually made Jason Kay look cool (rather than like an annoying little fuck) in the Jamaroquai "Feels Just Like it Should" video. Sure there was some gratuitous use of lasers, as well, but who's to stop a guy who's having fun.

Joseph Kahn *rocks*! Big Grin
 
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Oh come on, just give him a chance! He's trying his best with what he was given. And he picked up the pieces of the abandoned project. You gotta give him some credit.

Who knows? Maybe we will all be pleasantly surprised! Just trying to stay optimistic.
 
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I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt, but then the "unfilmable" will always be contentious to the fans of the original *insert media type here*.

But then I'd also like to be the eyes over his shoulder and the voice in his ear, saying "you wanna do what? come on, that's stupid, this would be better/truer/easier/simpler/etc...."


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Perhaps you can turn into one of those little devils that sits on the shoulder of the guy in the cartoon, the one that makes him do "bad" things....
 
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Having just read a book on marketing by way of moviemaking (Syrup, by Max[x] Barry), I can at least appreciate how hard it is to put something through a system that is sure it knows what people like. And I don't know that the guy really comes off as that much of an asshole - considering the shit countless people are slinging at him, it's gonna screw with his brain. On the other hand, implying that his detractors are child molesters and Iowans is maybe taking things a bit too far.

(No offense to any Iowans. I'm currently writing this in my family's house in Cedar Rapids. But you have to admit, it is kinda insulting outside the grain belt).

I've just watched a few of his music videos that are up on YouTube. They look OK, though I'm hardly a music video guru.

I'm gonna remain eyebrow-raisedly optimistic.


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Like FP, the more I hear about this guy the more I like him. Neuromancer would certainly be an enormous challenge to film, though, but that rant sounds like the natural reaction of a guy who has been dismissed out of hand by many of WG's fans because he (gasp) made music videos, and is not enough of an artiste. Give the guy a break. I like some of his videos, and I never saw Torque, so I will remain neutral.

Here's a link to his site. The comment thread that contained that rant said it came from his site, but I couldn't find it.

Oh well, I guess I'll just watch "Get Yourself High" again. Razz


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Oh yeah..."Knights of Cydonia"....


Fuck yeah. I want him to do the movie....


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Good luck to Joseph Kahn, I hope that the Neuromancer film actually gets enough finance to be made properly.

I cannot think of any bits of the novel which are "unfilmable" these days, given the judicious use of CGI effects.
 
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I stand by my earlier feelings that a Neuromancer
movie will suck. This has nothing to do with the
talents of the director on hand, so it's nothing
personal.


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gratuitous use of lasers

Bite your tongue, FP! Lasers are never gratuitous


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Lasers are what the people want!


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This guy also seems to be on the level. For us, the movie is more likely to suck than to rule, but if it does work? Well if it does work it'll be fucking awesome. In the end, we'll still have our battered and beaten paperbacks. No movie could take those away.


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Rumor has it that when Joseph Kahn approached William Gibson about making Neuromancer that Gibson agreed to it contingent on that Kahn underwent a makeover designed by Gibson himself.

Look at the fantastic results:

Joseph Kahn BEFORE WG-makeover


Joseph Kahn AFTER WG-makeover


Nice work, WG!
 
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Good luck to Joseph Kahn, I hope that the Neuromancer film actually gets enough finance to be made properly.

I cannot think of any bits of the novel which are "unfilmable" these days, given the judicious use of CGI effects.


Actually, it would be (relatively) easy to make a superficial film of Neuromancer. It will look like a simplistic heist/action movie ripping off all the people who have been ripping off Neuromancer for the past twenty years. The problem is making a film that does any kind of justice to the book.


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I’m good at stating the painfully obvious, and don’t want to offend anyone.

A couple things cross my mind. And I am only guessing...

In order to get this movie moving towards implementation, I am sure someone will have to come up with a five minute test showing, at least as a basis, how the transition from ‘meat space’ to ‘cyberspace’ will be experienced. Uniquely identifiable would be awfully nice. I don’t think it has to be high tech or expensive. My guess, at this point, the people looking at it will either say it is really good but probably won’t work, or they don’t like it but maybe. Any other problems or strengths probably come after this.

Next. Rating. I would love to see a cult status movie with a ‘R’, but, to be blunt, I don’t think I will live that long. ‘R’ would be death for the movie, I think. ‘PG13' would desirable, and that would be one hell of a filming trick, on any adaptation. Frankly, I think it would be extremely difficult to have any scene with Riviera and the cut up Molly image on a stage, which, even if that deconstruction is only hinted at or lightly gestured, wouldn’t pull a ‘NC17' which would be death twice over. And without that scene, who cares?

On the positive side, I think there is a lot of power to some of the simple things from the book, which should work on screen. ‘Street samurai’ as an image is good. Can be real good. Some of the repeat lines, like ‘that’s just the way I’m wired’, or even the impact of the prior “’Cept I do hurt people sometimes” can carry a lot of tension. And need no special effects.
 
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For instance, before David Fincher became the dark auteur that fanboys salivate over, he made his name doing…Paula Abdul videos.


Dang!! If that's really true, then I guess Kahn does deserve the benefit of the doubt. I think what really did him in with all this negative backlash, which I admit, I did take a cheap shot on him too. Is the association he has with Britney Spears and Torque. Besides that I do remember watching some music videos of his that I thought were cool back when mtv was part of daily media diet.

But still, like most of us have said, all we can hope for is at least he delivers a sliver of justice to Gibson's Neuromancer on the silver screen.

If not, like Archie said "In the end, we'll still have our battered and beaten paperbacks. No movie could take those away."
 
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Next. Rating. I would love to see a cult status movie with a ‘R’, but, to be blunt, I don’t think I will live that long. ‘R’ would be death for the movie, I think. ‘PG13' would desirable, and that would be one hell of a filming trick, on any adaptation. Frankly, I think it would be extremely difficult to have any scene with Riviera and the cut up Molly image on a stage, which, even if that deconstruction is only hinted at or lightly gestured, wouldn’t pull a ‘NC17' which would be death twice over. And without that scene, who cares?


Hmm. Weren't all of the Matrix films rated R? Also, if you or I make a scene like Riviera cutting up Molly in our little indie flick that's probably an NC17 but when Warner Brothers does it they have the juice to avoid such a fate. Have you seen This Film Is Not Yet Rated? Good stuff and goes into all the politics around ratings.

Personally, I'd rather see it rated R because that'd clue me in up front that it's not been completely neutered. A faithful adaptation of Neuromancer is definitely an R-rated flick (violence, language, nudity, drug use, sexual situations, Steely Dan and Pynchon influences).

I did think about Kahn's rant for a good while. You know what? Fuck it. He's the man. And if someone like Gibson --hell, even Moby-- would probably never use "rocks" in an unironic way, I'm prepared to cut him that slack because he's stranded in fucking LA, the very belly of what was once (still is?) the rockist capitol of the planet.

Maybe the guy makes an entertaining movie. With so much arrayed against it (not least of which is the scale of the undertaking - which he clearly gets and is self-admittedly "stupid" enough to ignore) Neuromancer is unlikely to ever be a "cool" movie, unfortunately, but maybe you NetFlix the DVD some night and turns out it's not so bad.

The obvious carrot on offer here --sure Torque was silly, but YOU try and make an Ice Cube biker flick that got as many positive notices as mine. Imagine what I can do with material that ISN'T idiotic-- may have been enough to get Gibson on board. It's a pretty good argument.

Okay, Joseph, you're on.

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Back in the dim days before music videos, directors learned the job making commercials. Ridley Scott made hundreds. Most of the other biggies did as well, though they won't admit it now. You have to start somewhere and it's for damn sure no studio will hand an A production to somebody who hasn't shown his chops in tv, video or Roger Corman cheapies. Of course, once you've made it you renounce all connection with your disreputable past. Bigtime novelists used to cover up their years writing for the pulps or the men's magazines.

I'll see what this guy comes up with. Remember also he won't be the only person on the project. Great production design, music, cinematography, acting and editing can make up for indifferent direction. The whole auteur thing giving all the credit to the director was dreamed up by a little bunch of French cineastes back in the 50s.
 
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I'll see what this guy comes up with. Remember also he won't be the only person on the project. Great production design, music, cinematography, acting and editing can make up for indifferent direction. The whole auteur thing giving all the credit to the director was dreamed up by a little bunch of French cineastes back in the 50s.


True dat. There's never been a film made that was so great a crap editor couldn't ruin it in five minutes.
 
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