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Found this alleged rant from candidate director of Neuromancer film, Joseph Kahn:
Original link to text was found here. So, assuming this is genuine what think ye? My $0.02. Guy sounds like an asshole, but no secret that's a prerequisite for any Hollywood director. Also interesting that he insists Gibson gave him at least a "disingenuous grunt"(!?) of approval. Also he references "compromises and interpretation" so it's certainly going to be, er, compromised. I think the problem here is, most Gibson readers don't trust people who'd say something "rocks" in an unironic way. When William Gibson says something "rocks" he's probably making fun of it. Joseph Kahn doesn't see that. In fact, his "disingenuous grunt" was probably telling Kahn he thought 'Torque' "rocked". *Sigh* it's gonna be crap, although this semi-bright and earnest arsehole is gonna swear he really tried. One last thing re: Kahn's question about his race and Variety. 'Joseph Kahn' sounds as Jewish as a Hebrew National kosher weiner and without the qualification I can imagine half of the Los Angeles readership of Variety going, "hey, I think I know the guy!" This message has been edited. Last edited by: Nightspore, |
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From knowing nothing about Joseph Kahn, I'm liking him more and more.
Lets face it, the guy actually made Jason Kay look cool (rather than like an annoying little fuck) in the Jamaroquai "Feels Just Like it Should" video. Sure there was some gratuitous use of lasers, as well, but who's to stop a guy who's having fun. Joseph Kahn *rocks*! |
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Oh come on, just give him a chance! He's trying his best with what he was given. And he picked up the pieces of the abandoned project. You gotta give him some credit.
Who knows? Maybe we will all be pleasantly surprised! Just trying to stay optimistic. |
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I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt, but then the "unfilmable" will always be contentious to the fans of the original *insert media type here*.
But then I'd also like to be the eyes over his shoulder and the voice in his ear, saying "you wanna do what? come on, that's stupid, this would be better/truer/easier/simpler/etc...." ------------------------------------ Honestly, I can't think of a sig... ------------------------------- |
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Perhaps you can turn into one of those little devils that sits on the shoulder of the guy in the cartoon, the one that makes him do "bad" things....
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Having just read a book on marketing by way of moviemaking (Syrup, by Max[x] Barry), I can at least appreciate how hard it is to put something through a system that is sure it knows what people like. And I don't know that the guy really comes off as that much of an asshole - considering the shit countless people are slinging at him, it's gonna screw with his brain. On the other hand, implying that his detractors are child molesters and Iowans is maybe taking things a bit too far.
(No offense to any Iowans. I'm currently writing this in my family's house in Cedar Rapids. But you have to admit, it is kinda insulting outside the grain belt). I've just watched a few of his music videos that are up on YouTube. They look OK, though I'm hardly a music video guru. I'm gonna remain eyebrow-raisedly optimistic. *** Yeah. That happened to me, once. |
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Like FP, the more I hear about this guy the more I like him. Neuromancer would certainly be an enormous challenge to film, though, but that rant sounds like the natural reaction of a guy who has been dismissed out of hand by many of WG's fans because he (gasp) made music videos, and is not enough of an artiste. Give the guy a break. I like some of his videos, and I never saw Torque, so I will remain neutral.
Here's a link to his site. The comment thread that contained that rant said it came from his site, but I couldn't find it. Oh well, I guess I'll just watch "Get Yourself High" again. |
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Oh yeah..."Knights of Cydonia"....
Fuck yeah. I want him to do the movie.... ------------------------------------ Honestly, I can't think of a sig... ------------------------------- |
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Good luck to Joseph Kahn, I hope that the Neuromancer film actually gets enough finance to be made properly.
I cannot think of any bits of the novel which are "unfilmable" these days, given the judicious use of CGI effects. |
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I stand by my earlier feelings that a Neuromancer
movie will suck. This has nothing to do with the talents of the director on hand, so it's nothing personal. -- Fanaticism is nowhere. There's no tenderness or humanity in fanaticism. - Joe Strummer |
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Bite your tongue, FP! Lasers are never gratuitous |
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Lasers are what the people want!
-- Fanaticism is nowhere. There's no tenderness or humanity in fanaticism. - Joe Strummer |
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This guy also seems to be on the level. For us, the movie is more likely to suck than to rule, but if it does work? Well if it does work it'll be fucking awesome. In the end, we'll still have our battered and beaten paperbacks. No movie could take those away.
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Rumor has it that when Joseph Kahn approached William Gibson about making Neuromancer that Gibson agreed to it contingent on that Kahn underwent a makeover designed by Gibson himself.
Look at the fantastic results: Joseph Kahn BEFORE WG-makeover Joseph Kahn AFTER WG-makeover Nice work, WG! |
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Actually, it would be (relatively) easy to make a superficial film of Neuromancer. It will look like a simplistic heist/action movie ripping off all the people who have been ripping off Neuromancer for the past twenty years. The problem is making a film that does any kind of justice to the book. |
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I'm good at stating the painfully obvious, and don't want to offend anyone.
A couple things cross my mind. And I am only guessing... In order to get this movie moving towards implementation, I am sure someone will have to come up with a five minute test showing, at least as a basis, how the transition from ˜meat space' to ˜cyberspace' will be experienced. Uniquely identifiable would be awfully nice. I don't think it has to be high tech or expensive. My guess, at this point, the people looking at it will either say it is really good but probably won't work, or they don't like it but maybe. Any other problems or strengths probably come after this. Next. Rating. I would love to see a cult status movie with a ˜R', but, to be blunt, I don't think I will live that long. ˜R' would be death for the movie, I think. ˜PG13' would desirable, and that would be one hell of a filming trick, on any adaptation. Frankly, I think it would be extremely difficult to have any scene with Riviera and the cut up Molly image on a stage, which, even if that deconstruction is only hinted at or lightly gestured, wouldn't pull a ˜NC17' which would be death twice over. And without that scene, who cares? On the positive side, I think there is a lot of power to some of the simple things from the book, which should work on screen. ˜Street samurai' as an image is good. Can be real good. Some of the repeat lines, like ˜that's just the way I'm wired', or even the impact of the prior "'Cept I do hurt people sometimes" can carry a lot of tension. And need no special effects. |
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Dang!! If that's really true, then I guess Kahn does deserve the benefit of the doubt. I think what really did him in with all this negative backlash, which I admit, I did take a cheap shot on him too. Is the association he has with Britney Spears and Torque. Besides that I do remember watching some music videos of his that I thought were cool back when mtv was part of daily media diet. But still, like most of us have said, all we can hope for is at least he delivers a sliver of justice to Gibson's Neuromancer on the silver screen. If not, like Archie said "In the end, we'll still have our battered and beaten paperbacks. No movie could take those away." |
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Hmm. Weren't all of the Matrix films rated R? Also, if you or I make a scene like Riviera cutting up Molly in our little indie flick that's probably an NC17 but when Warner Brothers does it they have the juice to avoid such a fate. Have you seen This Film Is Not Yet Rated? Good stuff and goes into all the politics around ratings. Personally, I'd rather see it rated R because that'd clue me in up front that it's not been completely neutered. A faithful adaptation of Neuromancer is definitely an R-rated flick (violence, language, nudity, drug use, sexual situations, Steely Dan and Pynchon influences). I did think about Kahn's rant for a good while. You know what? Fuck it. He's the man. And if someone like Gibson --hell, even Moby-- would probably never use "rocks" in an unironic way, I'm prepared to cut him that slack because he's stranded in fucking LA, the very belly of what was once (still is?) the rockist capitol of the planet. Maybe the guy makes an entertaining movie. With so much arrayed against it (not least of which is the scale of the undertaking - which he clearly gets and is self-admittedly "stupid" enough to ignore) Neuromancer is unlikely to ever be a "cool" movie, unfortunately, but maybe you NetFlix the DVD some night and turns out it's not so bad. The obvious carrot on offer here --sure Torque was silly, but YOU try and make an Ice Cube biker flick that got as many positive notices as mine. Imagine what I can do with material that ISN'T idiotic-- may have been enough to get Gibson on board. It's a pretty good argument. Okay, Joseph, you're on. This message has been edited. Last edited by: Nightspore, |
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Back in the dim days before music videos, directors learned the job making commercials. Ridley Scott made hundreds. Most of the other biggies did as well, though they won't admit it now. You have to start somewhere and it's for damn sure no studio will hand an A production to somebody who hasn't shown his chops in tv, video or Roger Corman cheapies. Of course, once you've made it you renounce all connection with your disreputable past. Bigtime novelists used to cover up their years writing for the pulps or the men's magazines.
I'll see what this guy comes up with. Remember also he won't be the only person on the project. Great production design, music, cinematography, acting and editing can make up for indifferent direction. The whole auteur thing giving all the credit to the director was dreamed up by a little bunch of French cineastes back in the 50s. |
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True dat. There's never been a film made that was so great a crap editor couldn't ruin it in five minutes. |
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