OK i can cope with pete postlethwaite. who are the girls?

Two French-Canadian Actresses.

I've only seen Pascale Bussières in the movie Un 32 août sur terre but I think she'd be good. Carol Laure would have been great if the movie had been already made (actually she could still do it now).

Revised...

Edward Norton as Case
Zhou Xun as Linda Lee

Milla Jovovich as Molly (you guys have picked great actresses for Molly, but the eyes must not be key to their whole persona...Milla is well-enough known to wear shades for a trilogy and get away with it)

Danny DeVito as the Finn
Mickey Rourke as Wage
Nick Cannon as Lonny Zone
Jonathan Ke Quan as Shin
Samuel L. Jackson as the voice of Snake Man
Jeff Anderson as Larry
Aishwairya Rai as Dr. Virginia Rambali
Eric Cantona as Terzibashjian
Philippe Nahon as Ratz
James Michael Taylor as Kurt
Vincent Gallo as Armitage
Bill Smitrovich as Smith
Sajan Bhagat as Jimmy
John Leguizamo as Riviera
Ken Watanabe as Hideo
Calvin Lockhart as an Elder of Zion
Djimon Honsou as Maelcum
Jeffrey Anderson-Gunter as Aerol
Max Von Sydow as Ashpool
Isabelle Huppert as Marie-France Tessier
Mary-Louise Parker as 3Jane
Michael Caine as Julius Deane
Leo Fitzpatrick as Lupus Yonderboy
Kieran Culkin as Angelo
Me as the Modern's link man
Billy Bob Thornton as voice of McCoy Pauley
William Gibson as the voice of Wintermute

Vincent Cassel, Monica Belucci and Daniel Auteuil as Roland, Pierre and Michele from Turing

Keanu Reeves as Johnny in Molly flashback...

and while we're at it...

Michael Biehn or Hugh Jackman as Turner
Misha Barton or Mia Kirshner as Angie Mitchell/Mona
Thomas Ian Nicholas as Bobby Newmark
Gary Busey as Conroy
Ving Rhames or Michael Clarke Duncan as Lucas
Roger Guenveur Smith or Courtney B Vance as Beauvoir

oh geez, thanks for assuming I picked them for their eyes. You have to seem them *move* to know why .

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I like your idea of William Gibson as the voice of Wintermute, but I could really see it.


Malgorzata Foremniak(she was Ash in the movie Avalon) as Molly

Iggy Pop as the Finn

What about having Helena Bothern Carter as Molly?

I do adore Milla Jovovich as an actress, but I personally believe that Molly should be played by an actress that has more of a darker edge to her. I can't really think of one at the moment to suggest though. I love how everyone has their own ideas of who the characters would be best represented by in real life. Makes for some interesting conversation.

I hate to say this but after the farce that was jonny mneumonic and after the way that production companies have treated the neuromancer script it would proballby not be a good idea for it to be made in hollywood as it would be cheap and trashy.
I still say that the only way that Neuromancer could be made into a decent film would be if it was made as an anime.

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I hate to say this but after the farce that was jonny mneumonic and after the way that production companies have treated the neuromancer script it would proballby not be a good idea for it to be made in hollywood...

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Exactly. The following thread talks about all of us, and others, conceiving of a complete alternative to the studio system, launching that approach with an effort to express the Sprawl trilogy, and moving forward with that alternative to do what is right (which may in fact be to never express a book in another form!) by other works perfectly exclusive of the tenets and motivations of the studio system...

http://williamgibsonboard.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=5006046771&f=2866012481&m=8436054915&r=8436054915#8436054915

After seeing Innocence: Ghost in the Shell 2, I would wager that the folks who would understand and preserve the spirit of Neuromancer and who are most capable of ushering it from print to celluloid, are the folks who made Innocence.

In both Ghost in the Shell films, there are many references and nods to Neuromaner... from the ring of text that identify make, model and manufacturer around the iris of the freshly minted gynoids to the two pronged attack on the Locus Solus factory ship - the best visualization of a cyberspace assault in cinema.

The only really bad thing about The Matrix is that it took away Molly from Neuromancer.
Trinity is Molly.
So there has to be something different. How about Rebecca Romeijn - and Emilio Estevez as Case.

you know, i was reading through this post for about the hundredth time, dreaming of a democratic fan owned version of Neuromancer, and it occured to me..... fuck the Matrix.

pardon my french... but seriously... so what if the Matrix ripped off Neuromancer? Those scenes were damn cool in the Matrix, and they'll be damn cool in a Neuromancer movie. Carrie Anne Moss may not be interested in playing Molly (again, if you consider Trinity to be a ripoff of Molly), but I wouldn't mind seeing her do it if she was willing. The storylines are different enough, as long as the effects look good, people will dig Neuromancer. They certainly don't seem to have any trouble with all the derivative works already being shelled out by Hollywood, so the Matrix angle doesn't work for me anymore as a reason to fret over audience acceptance...

i have to agree that GITS: Innocence is spot on technical example of how to image/visualize cyberspace. That movie and it's predecessor are more likely to be threats to a Neuromancer movie being made, but you could also argue that the success of GITS and The Matrix point strongly in the direction for making the film adaptation of Neuromancer...

sorry, it just seems like a lot of people are complaining about The Matrix ruining Neuromancer, and I just can't seem to find any thing that justifies your reasoning any longer...

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sorry, it just seems like a lot of people are complaining about The Matrix ruining Neuromancer, and I just can't seem to find any thing that justifies your reasoning any longer...

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it's pretty much ruined on a very base level..
Thanks to THE MATRIX, Neuromancer cannot have the matrix in it.. i'm sure it would violate some sort of copyright.. or not.. i dunno..
i think Gibson should have sued the CRAP out of the Wachowskis

maybe they can call it the shmatrix..

I would doubt that because the the book was around 15 years before the Matrix movie came out. If they used shmatrix then Bruce Sterling could sue Gibson.

i have to agree with supercide, since the book was published almost 20 years ago, it has more legitimate claim to the use of the term than the movie. Makes me wonder wher the legal justification for using The Matrix came from on Warner Brothers side... They must have been aware of Neuromancer, but did not consider it a threat... I would argue that the term simply refers to the collection of networked computers located on Earth and its surrounding satellites, and so can be used pretty much by anyone, like 'internet' or 'world wide web.' Most people talk about the Internet, which is basically what the Matrix would have derived from. In both Neuromancer and The Matrix movies, the Matrix is just what they call the cyberspace where all the human minds interact (in the movies, there are also cyberspaces used solely by the people living in Zion, but they don't seem to be hooked up to the Matrix, which is the collective mind space for the humans who were enslaved and contained in the battery fields. By Gibson's definition from Neuromancer a matrix would be a place where two or more minds meet in cyberspace, what is obviously manifest no win the real world as the Internet. But we know there can be several internets, the term itself simply refers to connecting two networks together. In the Matrix movies, there could be several spaces, each of which could be defined as a matrix, but the significance of the cyberspace where the imprisoned human's minds were inhabiting led it to be called THE Matrix, since this was a space designed to fool and imprison, rather than a simple work or play place. I think a Neoromancer movie could get around trademark infringement by simply referring to A matrix instead of THE matrix, and no one would really notice, since what really concerns us is cyberspace and what can be done there, not what we call it...

yeha, looks like my coffee kicked in...

I believe that Larry & Andy Wachowski both said that they were influnced by Gibson's work, and that it was part of the required read for the actors.

It seems as though all Neuromancer has to achieve is seperation from the image of the matrix, if looked at purely in terms of setting Neuromancer has more in common with bladerunner (quasi japanese polluted sprawl) than the matrix.
The matrix only really shares the same philosphical ideas as Neuromancer and the storys have almost totally opposite conclusions (Neo gets the girl/Case doesnt, man triumphs over machine/mancine becomes transendent).
Neuromancer would do well as an Anime and due to current interest in Anime in places such as America and Europe could acieve a degree of econoic success.
It'll need some work: i've read the current screen play (written by Chuck Russel) and it feels a bit cheesy and takes liberties with some of the caracters i.e. Lina Lee isnt a junkie.

Could we get some kind of on line petition to put forward to Mr Gibson so that he knows fans are interested in the idea of the film?

He knows we want a flim and he worked on it for some time with Chris Cunningham, he did the music videos Bejork's "All is Full Of Love," Aphex Twin's "Come to Daddy" and "Windowlicker." But like many of the others tries of addapting Nueromancer to flim it just did not work. I do not the movie will ever be made, the story is has too much interal conflick that cannot be placed in to flim.

i dunno supercide, i wouldn't count a movie adaptation out of the picture. i think the reason the cunningham project fell apart had more to do with Gibson's and Cunningham's schedules growing apart (this is the number one project killer in the movie business.) It's hard to make a movie when you're writing a book. I think if anything, Neuromancer is ripe for adaptation to cinematic form, the CGI capability is good enough now to manipulate realistic images in the same ways animaiton has always been able to do... The story itself is a pretty straightforward narrative, the main thing is to find people with the proper aesthetics who can place that story in a believable framework...

"...the main thing is to find people with the proper aesthetics who can place that story in a believable framework..."
Now that is a TALL order. Look at all the Certified Really Amazing Productions (C.R.A.P.) the dream factory has been churning out for the last twenty years!!!!