Keep in mind that every time Wintermute interacts with Case, it creates a simulacrum of a location Case knows and interacts with Case using the appearance of someone he knows. Wintermute (I'm pretty sure) never appears in Cyberspace "naked". Until the end, when Case catches a glimpse of his cyberspace copy with Linda Lee and Neuromancer/Wintermute. And that implies, yes, the cheesy "real avatar among the data" image.

That said, in interviews Gibson himself cites old-school arcade games: Missile Command, that sort of thing. Real-life concepts reduced to their most abstract/utilitarian forms.

Hmm just had an interesting thought, is the cheesy avatar AI generated or Matrix generated? because see if the AI generated it would therefore make sense since AI are capable of modifying the 3D representation of the matrix itself - therefore making avatars possible. (meaning the Linda we see was designed by Neuro/Winter for Case's eyes only, its a mental hallucination.)

Whereas if it was Matrix based than that would suggest that the matrix is more like an MMORPG. I'd prefer AI, this way you don't have every other idiot in cyberspace coming after you, just the ones that know what they are doing.

As I've established in an earlier post, if a user decides to communicate with another user it'd just be like making a video call (see Jhonny Mnemonic). In this reality I'm suspecting that the world has woken up to impersonal CMC relations and is now actually representing avatars as the people that control them. Say good bye to WoW :P. This makes sense because StimSim is a way of escaping from that avatar which is yourself and becoming someone else for a change (which we see in the later sprawl series ).

This probably works better and lets us avoid some really stupid stereotypes.

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I'm working on a new website too which will be interactive and powered using Java - for those without a Java RT plugin I'll make an HTML equivalent - however it won't be as good .

I'll try to keep discussing as actively on the new forum as I would here

Firstly, hi everybody! It seems like I've found this place like most of you... searching for F:F:F.

Alright, back on topic.

I think Hayden Christensen would probably be one of the worst actors to pick for Case... he's already ruined Star Wars for me. Additionally, I've always pictured Case as being older... but maybe that's just me.

But I agree that Animation would be a better choice over live-action. Heck, I'd even see an anime adaptation along the lines of Ghost in the Shell of Neuromancer. I haven't seen this Heavy Metal animation that people are talking about though, anybody have a link?

The original Heavy Metal animated film came out in 1981. There are trailers you can view at the IMDB page I linked. The animation tends to look a little bit primitive by today's standards, although some scenes are still impressive. It was also a collection of stories done in a variety of styles, if I recall correctly.

"STERRRN!"

Sleazy New York Cabbie: "I gave her the Stars and Stripes forever."

There was also Heavy Metal 2000. Kevin Eastman, still flush with the money from the Turtles, financed this and put his wife, Julie Strain, in it as a rotoscoping model and voice actress. Haven't seen it, but I have heard it's probably about the same level as the original, though it's just one story rather than an anthology.

Eastman announced that Paramount will be putting out a new Heavy Metal film with David Fincher in charge. Could be interesting.

Colin: I love the use of Devo's "Working in a Coalmine" in that Taarna scene you linked.

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There was also a heavy metal video game.

The style pretty much defined what would later become mainstream Saturday Morning cartoon, I mean it already was at the time but this brought a very dark reality that lead to later TV shows mimicking its dystopia like style and of course rough way of living.

I too enjoyed hearing Devo since they had such a huge dealing with the later Neuromancer video game. Actually I've always thought the video game seemed very much like Heavy Metal in terms of the colors and overall texture of the game's style, the lack of detail on the characters and the fact that it only covers 2 chapters of the entire book failed to make it worthy of being a true adaptation, but regardless its considered one of the best games ever made (and I can cite that from quite a few reliable sources).

The game sold surprisingly well in the end and its considered possibly the best game of the Commodore 64 and Amiga era. This is why it makes no sense as to why a game isn't being made at the moment and why Joseph Kahn is allowed to adapt it when we all know he's no authority on Cyberpunk - he just likes to think he is because he was in 1 blade runner documentary and explained that he only liked the film in film school -typically its been forced fed to him.

“Chris is my own 100 per cent personal choice,” he says firmly. “My only choice. The only person I’ve met who I thought might have a hope in hell of doing it right."

From an old interview that JBX(?) just linked to in another thread.

http://www.spikemagazine.com/0899williamgibson.php

Really because Joseph Kahn said on his blog that he got Gibson to write the Screenplay, so IMO that makes no FUCKING SENSE! I know Gibson said that but Kahn seems to think otherwise. Until I see a damn press release stating as such I'm siding with Gibson

That was a quote from a 1999 ATP interview.
He might have changed his mind.

Where did Khan say he got Gibson to write the script?

Yes, it was at the time that Chris Cunningham was actually working on the film, I believe. So (a) it was politic to say that and, (b) WG was probably expressing his enthusiasm. Basically it just serves to point out that WG has no say in the matter.

And (not that I know whether that bit about WG writing the screenplay is true or not) if they give him money to write the screenplay, why not write it, even if it wasn't his choice for the director? It's not like they'll actually use it or the film is ever going to make it out of development hell anyway.

I think Bill clearly was enthusiased about Cunningham. I think he has little enthusiasm for the current director and project. his silence on the matter says something.

Granted, he isn't about to get all excited about the 5th or 6th go around with this project, but I believe if he was enthused about the players he'd talk about it. Building buzz on a film pre-prod helps to get said film made in these, our cyberspace days.

The fact that he hasn't mentioned the project much doesn't speak well of his enthusiasm. He said in 1999 he wanted art house, Kahn and Hayden evoke anything but.

If this draws out for another five or ten years, someone will be able to make the film on their own buck and disseminate it online. I'll bet that project is way better than what the studios could do.

That'll be his art house Neuromancer.

Maybe helpfull, from an interview in 3SAT, on 12.06.08:

The interview was conducted in english. However, there's a german voice-over translation that is so loud that large parts of the english original are inedible. I did my best to reconstruct the english version from listening to the Interview while using the translation as a guide to those parts that were inedible. By & large it should be correct, but don't take this to be 100% Gibson! The link to the interview I posted here and the sequence I translated starts at time count 8:27 into the interview.

(...talking about Gibsons impressions while seeing Matrix in the Cinema, WG didn't buy into the "humans as batteries" thingy, found more of Phillip K. Dick in it then of WG ....)

Interviewer: So that leaves you space for a Neuromancer on the (silver?) screen?

Gibson: Hmmmh, well in a way it is (there is?), but that's probably .. probably not a bad thing. How ... The fact that the Matrix-franchise is there, makes it (inedible, from German translation: not sensible to make ) something that is too much (?close?) towards the Matrix franchise. So, possibly that opens up the Loop (not sure, from German translation: the possibility) of a more ... an artier sort of production.

Interviewer: But you're working on it, right?

Gibson: Well, someone is moving towards the possibility of making it. I mean, Hollywood is (a?) different (story?). Hollywoods pre-production deals are a very virtual area. And I've learned not to get too exited about that sort of thing before someone actually has a deal and the (green ... inedible, from German translation: "has give it the green light, has approved it to go ahead. You know there's so many obstacles that have to be overcome"). I just leave it alone (for now?) (from German translation: I simply don't think about it)

German translation on the 3SAT-Homepage:
"Auf dem Bildschirm ist also noch Platz für einen Neu-Romancer?

Irgendwie schon. Aber das ist höchstwahrscheinlich nicht das Schlechteste. Aufgrund der Tatsache, dass Matrix dort

konzessioniert wird, ist es wenig sinnvoll, etwas zu erfinden, das zu sehr in Richtung Matrix geht. Vielleicht eröffnet

sich dadurch aber die Chance auf eine künstlerischere Produktion.



Aber Sie arbeiten daran, richtig?

Es bewegt sich jemand in Richtung der Möglichkeit, daran zu arbeiten. Hollywood ist anders. Hollywoods Preproduction-

Deals sind ein sehr virtuelles Pflaster, und ich habe gelernt, mich nicht zu sehr über diese Dinge zu freuen, bevor

niemand den Deal gemacht hat und grünes Licht gibt. Wissen Sie, dabei müssen so viele Etappen genommen werden. Ich denke

einfach nicht darüber nach."

Well then that explains it. I doubt Gibson is writing the screenplay if that's his response. It sounds more like Gibson is just sitting back waiting to see whats going to happen, so he's in our position too from the sounds of things.

I recall that my source for Gibson writing the screenplay was the MySpace transcript that was posted on a film website earlier this year. Further backed up by the IMDB listing that Gibson is writing the screenplay. Not sure if these sources are reliable though, you can't exactly trust Web2.0

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Originally posted by UberDog:

If this draws out for another five or ten years, someone will be able to make the film on their own buck and disseminate it online. I'll bet that project is way better than what the studios could do.

That'll be his art house Neuromancer.

I'm workin' up to it. XD