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Originally posted by UberDog:
Did you make that term up, that's a good term.

--thanks.

I think so....Hadn't heard it until I used it.

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It helps of course that even the biggest metal label bosses are all fans themselves.

All labels should enforce this as law if they want to keep on existing. If you don't like the music you're producing, change it or quit.

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Originally posted by Boogerhead:

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It helps of course that even the biggest metal label bosses are all fans themselves.

All labels should enforce this as law if they want to keep on existing. If you don't like the music you're producing, change it or quit.

Boog, without being too much into the metal scene myself, or any one music scene at all, don't you worry that this would lead to stagnation? Couldn't someone who's not a fan, someone with no history, have a chance to come in and make something completely new? I'm just curious about where you and others think that growth, that change, will come from.

This being said I am asking because I'm curious, not argumentative. I've just never really thought about this much and was looking for opinions/other views.

Stagnation?

You mean as opposed to the current state of the "Industry"?

No.

I don't.

I think the industry has been stagnant since Elvis or possibly the Beatles. They have convinced generations of people that music is a commodity.

It is not.

Wherever we find human life, or a social order of any kind, it is accompanied by music. It is accompanied by that societies interpretation of sound itself. To attempt to commodify sound is to extend an individual precept onto a cultural phenomenon. One might make a noticeable variation on a particular theme, but to control the apparatus entirely is nothing but a cheap power play.

The costs of the equipment used to produce recorded music has come down to the point that the industry is no longer needed, or even welcome.

The movie system is next.

Sorry, I wasn't thinking about this in terms of the "Industry." I was thinking more about where does growth in art come from? But considering this is a thread greatly concerned with the "Industry" perhaps my question might have been more appropriate elsewhere, random thoughts rather then news.

You needn't apologise, it is a legitimate question. And I think my answer addressed your point. The art will come, no matter who might be hypnotized into paying for it. When there's none to buy, we'll make our own.

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Originally posted by mikethecat:

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Originally posted by Boogerhead:

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It helps of course that even the biggest metal label bosses are all fans themselves.

All labels should enforce this as law if they want to keep on existing. If you don't like the music you're producing, change it or quit.

Boog, without being too much into the metal scene myself, or any one music scene at all, don't you worry that this would lead to stagnation? Couldn't someone who's not a fan, someone with no history, have a chance to come in and make something completely new? I'm just curious about where you and others think that growth, that change, will come from.

It'd probably be the opposite of stagnation!

The way i see it is that label bosses who are also fans would be able to recognise talent that's new and different, and would be excited about working with that band or person. In an industry, where making money is the primary goal, this new and different talent would probably be ignored because it wouldn't be deemed profitable enough.

There's actually a fine example i can think of. Music For Nations was a small independent label focussing on rock and metal. Despite having a fine reputation and a solid line up, the label sadly didn't survive (probably financial issues, though i'm not sure) and was gobbled up by a major (Sony BMG). At that time there were a few very well respected metal bands on the label, including Anathema and Opeth. Opeth particulary is a huge name in the genre. Sony BMG however dropped them almost instantly. Because metal is an underground music culture it gets a lot less sales than pop music. So Sony BMG just didn't care, despite the bands involved being very creative, talented, and (at least in metal) succesfull.

So yeah, i think the industry pays little attention to actual talent; which is definatly not the way to go.

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All the industry cares about now are 1) Are they fuckable? and 2) can we pimp them.

Feckin UK govt today announced it will change law and prosecute ISP's who fail to barr downloaders by April 09:

ISPs could face piracy sanctions

So they'll filter/block torrent traffic. That'll send us to the news bins. Whitehall suits.

BoingBoing had a good article from the Observer about this:

http://www.boingboing.net/2008/02/22/record-company-profi.html

I think I'll do some pro bono work for the riaa and file a class action against every library in the world over the intellectual property rights violations they've committed since the dawn of time.

Only problem is, with the fuckin coin operated legislature we have set up in these goddamned kangaroo courts all over the world, I'd probably win.

For the hatred of Cthulu, you bitches better do the right thing, or we'll have to establish an entirely new protocol.

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Originally posted by Boogerhead:
Stagnation?

You mean as opposed to the current state of the "Industry"?

No.

I don't.

I think the industry has been stagnant since Elvis or possibly the Beatles. They have convinced generations of people that music is a commodity.

It is not.

Wherever we find human life, or a social order of any kind, it is accompanied by music. It is accompanied by that societies interpretation of sound itself. To attempt to commodify sound is to extend an individual precept onto a cultural phenomenon. One might make a noticeable variation on a particular theme, but to control the apparatus entirely is nothing but a cheap power play.

The costs of the equipment used to produce recorded music has come down to the point that the industry is no longer needed, or even welcome.

The movie system is next.

The movie industry has the chance to avoid the same bullshit mistakes that the RIAA has been making.

I think people in a business ought to like their product, for the most part, but I don't think 'fans' as such are very good at being in charge of the things they love.

I wouldn't want a fanboy in charge of Lost, say. But then, fans also seem to have a general lack of accompanying talent. Perhaps that is where I am coming from.

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Originally posted by Boogerhead:
I think I'll do some pro bono work for the riaa and file a class action against every library in the world over the intellectual property rights violations they've committed since the dawn of time.

Only problem is, with the fuckin coin operated legislature we have set up in these goddamned kangaroo courts all over the world, I'd probably win.

Libraries are wanting to take over the world. they have to be stopped. Liberate us from the tyranny of knowledge!

Man fined £11,000 for downloading Friends

"The wife of a city executive cost her husband £11,000 after she downloaded four episodes of the sitcom Friends through his mobile phone while abroad."

Jeebus...friends??

Could at least have been pr0n.

Rather Privacy then Copyright ...

CCC publishes fingerprints of German Home Secretary

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The hackers then saved the fingerprint and created the dummy fingerprints from it in a meticulous process that took all night.

Ah, nerdy gold, that is.

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Man fined £11,000 for downloading Friends

"The wife of a city executive cost her husband £11,000 after she downloaded four episodes of the sitcom Friends through his mobile phone while abroad."

The headline on that article is wrong, it wasn't a fine, simply the mobile phone charges that were incurred.

It'll be interesting to see my mobile phone bill from Paris. Lord only knows how much they charged me when I called Aisha from my phone. I'm guessing approx. £5 per call.

La major Sony BMG poursuivie pour contrefaçon de logiciel

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...Selon la Business Software Alliance, une association regroupant les principaux éditeurs du marché, 47 % des programmes utilisés en entreprise le seraient de manière illégale en France...

Sony/BMG Under Investigation for Software Piracy (translation via wired)