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Interesting experiment. It makes me think of two traits in human communication: babies and parents adjusting their bodymovements in the turn-taking in dialouge. And the fact that we adjust speaking rate to the rate of the conversational partner. In my own field it raises some questions in the therapy for cluttering in how to reduce speaking rate most efficiently. Thanks DIT.


Yes, there's a real rhythm to conversation, both gesturally and verbally. Have you noticed that people will generally respond to a greeting with an echo of the same greeting (wave, 'hi', 'good morning', etc.)? Sort of like a 'handshaking protocol' to get the conversation flowing properly or something...

Re: how children acquire language:
A Study of Multimodal Motherese: The Role of Temporal Synchrony between Verbal Labels and Gestures
This study examined European American and Hispanic American mothers' multimodal communication to their infants (N = 24). The infants were from three age groups representing three levels of lexical-mapping development: prelexical (5 to 8 months), early-lexical (9 to 17 months), and advanced-lexical (21 to 30 months). Mothers taught their infants four target (novel) words by using distinct objects during a semistructured play episode. Recent research suggests that young infants rely on temporal synchrony to learn syllable–object relations, but later, the role of synchrony diminishes. Thus, mothers' target and nontarget naming were coded for synchrony and other communication styles. The results indicated that mothers used target words more often than nontarget words in synchrony with object motion and sometimes touch. Thus, ‘multimodal motherese’ likely highlights target word-referent relations for infants. Further, mothers tailored their communication to infants' level of lexical-mapping development. Mothers of prelexical infants used target words in synchrony with object motion more often than mothers of early- and advanced-lexical infants. Mothers' decreasing use of synchrony across age parallels infants' decreasing reliance on synchrony, suggesting a dynamical and reciprocal environment–organismic relation.


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An elephant paints a self portrait.


Beautiful! Thanks for that!

This is interesting:
Guess the Artist (compares paintings by 2 elephants, a lowland gorilla, a 9 year old child and 2 professional artists)


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Out of sight, out of mind

Anyway, the first thought that comes to my mind is that auditory data long ago would have often been related to the sound of prey or predator's approach. Rhythm would play into this as a means of predicting proximity, ETA, type of critter, et cetera.

Aural pattern recognition.

Even more so in the dark when, presumably, the object of concern would more likely be a predator...


Speaking of speculation on the evolution of language and cognition... Big Grin
re: The Mind of a Tool Maker session at the AAAS in Boston:
the bottom line is this: the study and discussion of evolution of cognition and language requires extreme caution, subtlety, rigor, nuance, a high-pass filter for bullshit, and so on and so forth. And, alas, the level of speculation and pure unadulterated paleo-nonsense was off the scale. This session made me appreciate why the French Academy forbade language evolution as a topic. The audience deserved better. My favorite line: the organizer of the workshop, Dr. Lam, in her opening remarks, said that one reason she wanted to have this workshop was because she had such a hard time getting her ideas on evolution of cognition published .... Yikes!


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Out of sight, out of mind

Anyway, the first thought that comes to my mind is that auditory data long ago would have often been related to the sound of prey or predator's approach. Rhythm would play into this as a means of predicting proximity, ETA, type of critter, et cetera.

Aural pattern recognition.

Even more so in the dark when, presumably, the object of concern would more likely be a predator...


Speaking of speculation on the evolution of language and cognition... Big Grin
re: The Mind of a Tool Maker session at the AAAS in Boston:
the bottom line is this: the study and discussion of evolution of cognition and language requires extreme caution, subtlety, rigor, nuance, a high-pass filter for bullshit, and so on and so forth. And, alas, the level of speculation and pure unadulterated paleo-nonsense was off the scale. This session made me appreciate why the French Academy forbade language evolution as a topic. The audience deserved better. My favorite line: the organizer of the workshop, Dr. Lam, in her opening remarks, said that one reason she wanted to have this workshop was because she had such a hard time getting her ideas on evolution of cognition published .... Yikes!


Well, it's not as if any of them have any real clue, eh? And Evolutionism is the reigning faith in Scientism regarding how all aspects of life and cognition came to be.

There's also the Playskool version: Legos click.

Anyway, In The Beginning was the Focus Group. Everyone knows *that*.

P.S. Graci for the Talking Brains blog link.
 
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A Study of Multimodal Motherese: The Role of Temporal Synchrony between Verbal Labels and Gestures
This study examined European American and Hispanic American mothers' multimodal communication to their infants (N = 24).


Thanks DIT, in a way I feel it´s sad to live in a culture, where you feel need to prove these things...


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Thanks DIT, in a way I feel it´s sad to live in a culture, where you feel need to prove these things...


Well, yeah, on the one hand it seems like there should be nothing more natural and obvious in the whole world than the way a mother interacts with her child and teaches the child how to speak. Yet on the other hand, when you step back and look at things in a detached way, it's quite a mind-blowing thing that humans are wired to just instinctively 'know' what to do, and that it works as well as it does. There are so many things that humans do effortlessly that totally leave our best technology in the dust. Like speech, learning, interacting with the real world...

Came across a REALLY interesting article:
How to grow a super-athelete. Makes me want to start practicing playing my saxophone again...


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Another good reason to study normal development and behaviour is to develop models of therapy for people with developmental problems. There you can't just do what comes naturally, but have to tweak it. Having description of the processes of normal development can provide the inspiration to know which things could be tried repeatedly, or in a simplefied manner, etc.
 
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Of course, you´re right both of you. As a speech therapist myself I see the need for these studies all the time, but maybe that´s also the reason why I sometimes wish the effort placed in studies of the abnormal using the normality as a control group instead. We really miss good studies of the efficiency of therapy, especially in Denmark.
Nice article on the myelin, DIT - you just have to remember the myelination isn´t reserved for suitable behavior - the bad habits are myelined as well and that explains the amount of training you need to reverse a mislearned action.


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Hi folks,

Neurophys is a topic of some interest to me as well :]

Look what I saw on boingboing:

http://www.boingboing.net/2008/05/28/bionic-monkeys-eat.html

robotic arms jacked into monkey, monkey uses them to eat.

People ask about the ethics of treating the monkey this way. I find myself wondering about the production-hours behind burnished alloy precision manipulators, the bananas, and people eating mud because of food "shortages".

This may seem like bananas and oranges, but it seems to me to be all a part of the choice we're confronted with in this new CE21st.


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when he fell into stupidity, and when the maid came by with tea."

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OCZ NIA BrainComputer Interface



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Learning How Not to Be Afraid
Why do some people have the ability to remain calm and relaxed even in the most stressful situations? New experiments in mice by Howard Hughes Medical Institute (HHMI) researchers are providing insight into how the brain changes when the animals learn to feel safe and secure in situations that would normally make them anxious.

HHMI investigator Eric R. Kandel and Daniela D. Pollak conducted experiments in which they conditioned mice to feel safe in stressful situations. Their experiments showed that the mice developed a conditioned inhibition of fear, which Kandel calls “learned safety.”

...The new study is noteworthy because it reveals in elegant detail how behavioral conditioning can affect the brain. According to Kandel, knowing how behavioral intervention works at the molecular and cellular levels may prove to be an interesting route to identifying new ways to treat depression and anxiety disorders....

...Two types of fear, instinctive and learned, have deep evolutionary roots and are essential for survival. But in some people, pathological forms of learned fear can lead to debilitating anxiety disorders, post-traumatic stress syndrome, or depression. Learned safety, on the other hand, reduces chronic stress, one of the hallmarks of depression and other psychopathologies. “The ability to identify, develop, and exploit conditions of safety and security is central to survival and mental health,” said Kandel, “but little is known of the neurobiology of these processes.”

...Kandel said his group was intrigued to find that learned safety did not influence serotonin, the neurotransmitter typically targeted by antidepressant drugs. Learned safety appears to influence levels of both dopamine and neuropeptide neurotransmitters, suggesting new avenues for antidepressant drug development, he said....


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