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Try convincing us of that.
I mean, I buy it, but really, try convincing like california that there's a better or even alternative lifestyle than their fucked up brain dead pipe dream.

You'll have an easier time convincing them to drive all their cars off the same cliff.


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The desire of individuals and groups seeking alternatives to the accepted norms of governance is as old as man himself. There will always be rebels among us, striving to create something different, thus threatening to the ruling powers. It's a noble age-old effort that speaks to the hopes of those wanting something different, hopefully better. Hell, our freakin country was created in part from that desire. This type of punk the system endeavor will always be around. Will most efforts fail? Yeah, of course. But, that has never stopped others from continuing to try. And it never will.


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You'll have an easier time convincing them to drive all their cars off the same cliff.


Don't they call those "offramps"?
 
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Oh, I'm not so gung ho. I just think it's good for people to push the envelope.




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And so the internets subsided for want of sufficient animosity to sustain its nebulous camaraderie.

Still the best place for finding meatloaf recipes, though.
 
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Yes, I think we're all too familar with the prevalent orthodoxy.


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The desire of individuals and groups seeking alternatives to the accepted norms of governance is as old as man himself. There will always be rebels among us, striving to create something different, thus threatening to the ruling powers. It's a noble age-old effort that speaks to the hopes of those wanting something different, hopefully better. Hell, our freakin country was created in part from that desire. This type of punk the system endeavor will always be around. Will most efforts fail? Yeah, of course. But, that has never stopped others from continuing to try. And it never will.
Really? Did you really just compare these guys to America’s founders? Look, these guys are millionaires who can afford to plunk down more money on a failed idea than any of the people working at their companies make in a year. They are the ruling powers. They just don’t see why they have to make campaign contributions in order to influence laws and are pinning their hopes on the notion that they can buy a legal fiction of sufficient complexity to make their floating Pleasure Island a reality. I guarantee you the venture capitalists backing this aren’t doing it out of the pioneering spirit or for the good of all mankind or because American law is somehow repressive to dot-com millionares, they’re doing it for their own benefit. Even if they succeed, do you really think the result will be something new and better? It will be the same crap, except it will float. All they’ll do is balkanize the ocean, create a new excuse for petty conflicts, and hasten the destruction of the ocean’s ecosystem.

I suppose I’m mostly just disgusted that someone would spend that much money to insulate themselves from the world, rather than spend it on making the world better.
 
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No not to these particular guys. To the whole idea that boundries are always being pushed by both nuts and geniuses. Sometimes what the nuts do works, somethimes the geniuses. Sometimes neither. What the fuck is everybody having such a cow over? It's not that I'm endorsing or supporting this effort. Simply acknowledging it for what it is. Something that has always been part of a changing society. I've said repeatedly that this particular effort will probably fail. But the whole concept of finding some way to utilize 3/4's of this planets' surface to establish sustainable communities will continue to be explored. There were many failures before the Wright bros. got it right. I suspect this one of those failures as it pertains to Seasteading. But, eventually somebody will get it right. And for the right reasons. Why not find new ways to use the resources this planet has provided us? Man has always done that. Why stop now?

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Really? Did you really just compare these guys to America’s founders?


Only in part: "Hell, our freakin country was created in part from that desire."

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Look, these guys are millionaires who can afford to plunk down more money on a failed idea than any of the people working at their companies make in a year.


George Washington and Thomas Jefferson were such poor men. Why they could afford to plunk down more money on a failed idea than any of their slaves cost them in a year.

"I guarantee you the venture capitalists backing this aren’t doing it out of the pioneering spirit or for the good of all mankind or because American law is somehow repressive to dot-com millionares, they’re doing it for their own benefit."

Ben Franklin died for my sins.

You do get the cutest bugaboos up your ass, BS. It's not like he compared them to The Fonz or something.
 
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I've been reading on this for about 15 years.

this is so cool that it's actually happening...


otec technology that gets cold water from the bottom of the sea to run a heat pump against hot water, solar heated...windmills, wave energy...

go go go ! seadog wavepump exceeds expectations


http://www.celestopea.com/Designs.htm
http://www.aiai.ed.ac.uk/~bat/sea-city.html
http://www.ecoboot.nl/artikelen/floating_houses.php
http://oceania.org/
http://www.new-utopia.com/
http://www.frenchcreekboatsales.com/skiffs.asp
http://www.tdrinc.com/nexus.html
http://www.thirteen.org/bucky/cities.html
http://www.greatoceanliners.net/futureprojects.html
http://davidszondy.com/future/city/floatingcity.htm
http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?FloatingCities
http://www.buckminster.info/Index/F/Floating.htm
http://www.oceansatlas.org/unatlas/about/oceansofthefut...ground/seemore3.html
http://arch.designcommunity.com/post-12309.html&highlight=
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-1060177,curpg-1.cms
http://web.mit.edu/12.000/www/m2008/teams/lastortugas/v_floating_island.html
http://reality.sculptors.com/cgi-bin/wiki?WholeFuture/C...hat_Float_On_The_Sea
http://seastead.org/
http://seastead.org/localres/floating-utopias/floating-utopias.html
http://www.gramlich.net/projects/oceania/seastead2/index.html
http://www.wally.com/default.asp?bflash=1
http://www.aboutmyplanet.com/environment/venus-project-our-nexgen-city-20
http://seastead.org/commented/paper/review.html#Cruise_Condos
http://seastead.org/commented/paper/review.html#There_a...tween_Buckys_design_
 
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