Dems or Reps?
I say the Republicans.

ITYM 'Who'.

I'd be astonished if the Republicans win... and have to get off the 'I like Americans but hate their leaders' fence and start saying 'I hate a plurality of Americans but love a large minority'. Seriously, if y'all elect Bush for a third term (wearing a McCain suit), you'd be showing the rest of the world that the last 8 years were not just a horrible, horrible mistake that you regret deeply... they were what you wanted all along.

Honestly, I think there is a fair chance that McCain may win. My impression is that "working class" Americans don't like either Clinton or Obama, on the whole. My hope is that Obama gets the nomination, gets a VP candidate that has some pull with the working class (or finds some of his own, somehow), manages to win, and actually ends up being a half-decent president. That's a whole lot of hoping.

Why is this not a poll with many humorous options?

The thing I wonder about is if anybody left *doesn't* have their opinion already. These "swing" voters.....most of what I've read indicates people usually pick one of them nearly instantly based on how much they "like" them in some way, so who has managed to hold off this long without forming a insta-pinion via media feed?

Unless the October Surprise(s) are particularly tasty this year I'd think Osama Barama has it currently. Despite his being a radical Muslim who eats babies when he's not embarrassing himself at bowling or doing mad rails off a Spitzer-class whores bewbies.

Well...that's what I heard....

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Originally posted by colin:
Honestly, I think there is a fair chance that McCain may win. My impression is that "working class" Americans don't like either Clinton or Obama, on the whole. My hope is that Obama gets the nomination, gets a VP candidate that has some pull with the working class (or finds some of his own, somehow), manages to win, and actually ends up being a half-decent president. That's a whole lot of hoping.

Tho you've got to wonder how much those factors will change once the D party settles on a candi-date. The issues which are issues now are unlikely to be the issues then, I'd think.

We've not really had any candidate debates (between party nominees) yet either and those should provide plenty of room for fuck ups and gaffes and of course the morning after "blasting" and "slamming" that will go on.

I don't think the American Public (aka the "Average American") can be overestimated in it's abilities to get distracted by the media and.....

Say hello to the new boss, same as the old boss...

No difference can be made for a long time.

McCain/Cheney 08!

I thought how was on Faust?

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Originally posted by Boogerhead:
Say hello to the new boss, same as the old boss...

Meet the old boss, Boog.

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Originally posted by Bravus:
I'd be astonished if the Republicans win... and have to get off the 'I like Americans but hate their leaders' fence and start saying 'I hate a plurality of Americans but love a large minority'. Seriously, if y'all elect Bush for a third term (wearing a McCain suit), you'd be showing the rest of the world that the last 8 years were not just a horrible, horrible mistake that you regret deeply... they were what you wanted all along.

Not that I'm necessarily endorsing McCain, but I think that if you know so little about our politics and culture that you're unable to distinguish any difference between McCain and W, then you shouldn't be using our politics as a basis for endorsing or condemning us.

Alternately, if you know a lot about McCain and W and you still believe the difference is negligible, then your perspective is so out of whack with the American experience that recommending courses of action for us is about as appropriate as recommending porn flicks for viewing by as-yet-undiscovered life forms on the moons of Jupiter.

People make ignorant comments like this, and then wonder why our reaction to foreign commentary so often runs in the "sod off" vein.

Yeah, there won't be another GWB for a long long time, if ever. I think most of the world sees Obama as the only real GWB antidote, however.

That's partly because of his skin tone, but mostly because of his name. Barack Obama. What that would signify about the healing of our national character.

This election will describe us to the world.

Not that past elections didn't.

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Originally posted by Splitcoil:


People make ignorant comments like this, and then wonder why our reaction to foreign commentary so often runs in the "sod off" vein.

Right, because REAL Americans would never make ignorant comments about something as sacred to us as national politics.

Not that I'm disagreeing with what you are saying you understand, just that I don't think those of us who live here are really any more coherent, correct, informed, or any of that about these things.

You hear the one about Obama refusing to say the Pledge of Allegiance? Or that he's going to give Hamas "most favored nation" status?

All the coverage I ever see, BBC, CNN, MSNBC, even the Daily Show, anything I read on the NYT, they are all pretty much total crap.

None of it manages to inform me, none of it manages to convince me of anything besides the uselessness of those involved in the "coverage" and then of course the coverage itself.

Wasn't there a South Park about this? Where they try to get two other kids to fight to see who'd win. Inciting them ever onwards with lies about each others statements regarding mothers and hamsters and such?

It's the same here no? Manufactured media madness. Sound and fury signifying jack shit.

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Originally posted by Trogdor:
Yeah, there won't be another GWB for a long long time, if ever. I think most of the world sees Obama as the only real GWB antidote, however.

Spoonerized that in to "WGB" and became rather confused.

"Obama? The WGB "antidote"? Wah?"

And if the next president doesn't start reducing foreign debt instead of increasing it (yes, that means raising taxes, everyone's taxes, as well as getting out of and staying out of wars) then the world won't be watching us as closely as they have in the past.

Because we'll no longer be the most powerful nation on this planet.

People don't pay attention. Under GWB, we've (the treasury) borrowed more from foreign concerns than under all previous presidents, combined.

Yes, combined.

And our congress went right along with it.

That's a nation-ending situation, right there. But is it mentioned in the campaign? Nope.

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Despite his being a radical Muslim who eats babies

...is NOT radical!

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recommending porn flicks for viewing by as-yet-undiscovered life forms on the moons of Jupiter

You obviously haven't seen triple-penetration as seen through seven sets of composite-eyed tentacles.

As for what is or isn't mentioned in campaigns: the challenge is to get elected. I prefer those who manage to do it with more truth than not, but I understand that telling the truth is not their goal.

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Not that I'm necessarily endorsing McCain, but I think that if you know so little about our politics and culture that you're unable to distinguish any difference between McCain and W, then you shouldn't be using our politics as a basis for endorsing or condemning us.

I'm an American, and much better informed than average, and I find McCain to be so similar to Bush (in terms of foreign policy, which is for what an Aussie has legitimate cause to judge our candidates) that the only mistake I see in Bravus' analogy is that it should be 'McCain wearing a Bush suit' not "Bush wearing a McCain suit".

But then, they all look alike in the darkness that is the current Republican canditorial clime...

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Originally posted by Trogdor:


People don't pay attention. Under GWB, we've (the treasury) borrowed more from foreign concerns than under all previous presidents, combined.

Yes, combined.

And our congress went right along with it.

That's a nation-ending situation, right there. But is it mentioned in the campaign? Nope.

I've seen this idea before. Can you describe it to me?

I mean, "nation-ending", what happens?

The Saudis and the Chinese just divvy us up? Auction off the states to the highest bidders?

Means California gets to ditch those other freeloading 49 states.

To go hang with Hawaii.

It's like the End of History, or the next-but-really-the-first triptych of the Star Wars trilogy: just not as good as the first-but-really-second.