I find this post by Arianna Huffington of interest.

The McCain campaign is all set to roll out its message for the last 30 days of the campaign: "We may not be good for your bank account, your mortgage, your health care, or your job security -- but none of that will matter if you are dead. John McCain: If You Want to Live."

Jesusland extends into Canada?

Jesusland extends into the soul of every sinner on planet earth

And their bank accounts, their emails, their TV viewing habits, their sexual practices, their schools, their work, their private thoughts, their revised history and their spork rations for the year.

Basically, it's the bulge hanging over America's Corn Belt, currently experiencing significant herniation and colonitis effects:

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Originally posted by lithos:
Jesusland extends into Canada?

Actually, much of the center of Canada is split between the bible belt and the communists. They'd have a hard time deciding which way to go, a lot of them.

You ever think of just givin' 'em all assault rifles and turning your back for six months, let 'em sort it out themselves, minx?

at subway getting lunch the woman at the register mentioned that she was out campaigning this weekend. I asked what she did on the campaign and she said anything that they asked her too. Then she sheepishly remarked, "for the Republicans" as if she was used to being in the minority. Usually she debates people and explains that, "they are supporting a terrorist".

I smiled and said, "well at least you're active, that is good to see."

Idiot.

I wish I could debate her, if that really is her arguement lets talk about supporting terror,

He wasn't supporting terrorists as a con law professor or member of the senate, did he magically start supporting terror when he decided to run for the big chair? This blatant neo-mcarthyism isn't playing well outside red strongholds for a reason.

If we are going to point out very tenuous links between one side and terrorism lets do it for both sides. Lets talk about starting a war that drove moderate muslims the world over toward extremism since that was the only option left to them. Lets talk about continuously supporting economic policies that enriched nations who then nurtured violent islamic extremists with our money. Lets talk about allowing domestic religious beliefs to demonize Islamics here at home and prevent real diplomacy abroad.

Who supports terrorists now?

It's because he served on a board or two with Ayers, of the Weather Underground in the 1960s. But Obama met Ayers through a Walter Annenberg foundation, in company of a whack of other respectable Republicans, too. So Republicans are speaking out about how ridiculous the claim is.

Of course the explanation is much longer and harder to say/explain/understand than "Obama pals around with terrorists," so Palin's mud will stick with the lame-brained amongst her followers. Oh wait, that would be the vast majority of her followers.

Who are now also using the N word to media people.

But you just KNOW they're "good Christians."

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Originally posted by editengine:
If we are going to point out very tenuous links between one side and terrorism lets do it for both sides. Lets talk about starting a war that drove moderate muslims the world over toward extremism since that was the only option left to them. Lets talk about continuously supporting economic policies that enriched nations who then nurtured violent islamic extremists with our money. Lets talk about allowing domestic religious beliefs to demonize Islamics here at home and prevent real diplomacy abroad.

Don't forget McCain's idol actively, if covertly, supported the Iranians, those people the Repubs love to hate. And that Ronnie was helping to train and support bin Laden and the Taliban. That woman's got a very short memory - how old was she?

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Originally posted by lithos:
You ever think of just givin' 'em all assault rifles and turning your back for six months, let 'em sort it out themselves, minx?

That wouldn't be the Canadian thing to do.

We'd give them rifles (assuming they didn't already own one or six), and send them out moose hunting together.

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Originally posted by editengine:
at subway getting lunch the woman at the register mentioned that she was out campaigning this weekend. I asked what she did on the campaign and she said anything that they asked her too. Then she sheepishly remarked, "for the Republicans" as if she was used to being in the minority. Usually she debates people and explains that, "they are supporting a terrorist".

I smiled and said, "well at least you're active, that is good to see."

Idiot.

I wish I could debate her, if that really is her arguement lets talk about supporting terror,

He wasn't supporting terrorists as a con law professor or member of the senate, did he magically start supporting terror when he decided to run for the big chair? This blatant neo-mcarthyism isn't playing well outside red strongholds for a reason.

If we are going to point out very tenuous links between one side and terrorism lets do it for both sides. Lets talk about starting a war that drove moderate muslims the world over toward extremism since that was the only option left to them. Lets talk about continuously supporting economic policies that enriched nations who then nurtured violent islamic extremists with our money. Lets talk about allowing domestic religious beliefs to demonize Islamics here at home and prevent real diplomacy abroad.

Who supports terrorists now?

Damn, edit. That's one of the best posts in this thread.

Where ya been keepin all that?

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Originally posted by lithos:
Jesusland extends into Canada?

Jesusland includes Saskatchewan??

I mean, most of rural Alberta, sure. Toss that in, with the exception of the Sovereign Minority Homeland of Edmonton.

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Originally posted by Pauline:

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Originally posted by lithos:
Jesusland extends into Canada?

Jesusland includes Saskatchewan??

I mean, most of rural Alberta, sure. Toss that in, with the exception of the Sovereign Minority Homeland of Edmonton.

That's the problem with Jesusland as a real concept, and why Uber is probably right that it won't happen.

I mean, look at Wyoming and Utah. Wyoming will be a McCain/Palin stonghold, giving them 60% and Obama 40%. Hard to have a good strong theocracy when almost half yer folks are heathens.

And Utah! Probably the Jesusland heartland, politically. The Utah Capitol, Salt Lake City, will vote mostly for Obama.

Jesusland is workable. Just not a contiguous Jesusland.

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Originally posted by Trogdor:
Damn, edit. That's one of the best posts in this thread.

Where ya been keepin all that?

I have my moments. I appreciate the luv though.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2008/10/07/palins_unamerican/print.html



The Palins' un-American activities

Imagine if the Obamas had hooked up with a violently anti-American group in league with the government of Iran.

By David Talbot

Oct. 07, 2008 | "My government is my worst enemy. I'm going to fight them with any means at hand."

This was former revolutionary terrorist Bill Ayers back in his old Weather Underground days, right? Imagine what Sarah Palin is going to do with this incendiary quote as she tears into Barack Obama this week.

Only one problem. The quote is from Joe Vogler, the raging anti-American who founded the Alaska Independence Party. Inconveniently for Palin, that's the very same secessionist party that her husband, Todd, belonged to for seven years and that she sent a shout-out to as Alaska governor earlier this year. ("Keep up the good work," Palin told AIP members. "And God bless you.")

AIP chairwoman Lynette Clark told me recently that Sarah Palin is her kind of gal. "She's Alaskan to the bone ... she sounds just like Joe Vogler."

So who are these America-haters that the Palins are pallin' around with?

Before his strange murder in 1993, party founder Vogler preached armed insurrection against the United States of America. Vogler, who always carried a Magnum with him, was fond of saying, "When the [federal] bureaucrats come after me, I suggest they wear red coats. They make better targets. In the federal government are the biggest liars in the United States, and I hate them with a passion. They think they own [Alaska]. There comes a time when people will choose to die with honor rather than live with dishonor. That time may be coming here. Our goal is ultimate independence by peaceful means under a minimal government fully responsive to the people. I hope we don't have to take human life, but if they go on tramping on our property rights, look out, we're ready to die."

This quote is from "Coming Into the Country," by John McPhee, who traipsed around Alaska's remote gold mining country with Vogler for his 1991 book. The violent-tempered secessionist vowed to McPhee that if any federal official tried to stop him from polluting Alaska's rivers with his earth-moving equipment, he would "run over him with a Cat and turn mosquitoes loose on him while he dies."

Vogler wasn't just a blowhard either. He put his secessionist ideas into action, working to build AIP membership to 20,000 -- an impressive figure by Alaska standards -- and to elect party member Walter Hickel as governor in 1990.

Vogler's greatest moment of glory was to be his 1993 appearance before the United Nations to denounce United States "tyranny" before the entire world and to demand Alaska's freedom. The Alaska secessionist had persuaded the government of Iran to sponsor his anti-American harangue.

That's right ... Iran. The Islamic dictatorship. The taker of American hostages. The rogue nation that McCain and Palin have excoriated Obama for suggesting we diplomatically engage. That Iran.

AIP leaders allege that Vogler, who was murdered that year by a fellow secessionist, was taken out by powerful forces in the U.S. before he could reach his U.N. platform. "The United States government would have been deeply embarrassed," by Vogler's U.N. speech, darkly suggests Clark. "And we can't have that, can we?"

The Republican ticket is working hard this week to make Barack Obama's tenuous connection to graying, '60s revolutionary Bill Ayers a major campaign issue. But the Palins' connection to anti-American extremism is much more central to their political biographies.

Imagine the uproar if Michelle Obama was revealed to have joined a black nationalist party whose founder preached armed secession from the United States and who enlisted the government of Iran in his cause? The Obama campaign would probably not have survived such an explosive revelation. Particularly if Barack Obama himself was videotaped giving the anti-American secessionists his wholehearted support just months ago.

Where's the outrage, Sarah Palin has been asking this week, in her attacks on Obama's fuzzy ties to Ayers? The question is more appropriate when applied to her own disturbing associations.

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Originally posted by editengine:

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Originally posted by Trogdor:
Damn, edit. That's one of the best posts in this thread.

Where ya been keepin all that?

I have my moments. I appreciate the luv though.

The Democrats have registered > 400,000 new voters for this election, and the Republicans, < 200,000 [I forget the exact numbers, and the link...probably on kos somewhere).

In any case, Florida may vote for Obama in spite of itself.

A lot of those new voters wont find there way to a polling place, early voting or not.

Have faith in us, Floridians can fuck up an election like nobody's business.