But all disobedience is not civil disobedience.

The whole point of civil disobedience is it is overt. It is a PR stunt. You do it to get caught and you take your punishment. Voter registration fraud is covert. The whole point is you do not get caught and you avoid punishment.

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Originally posted by Kradlum:
But all disobedience is not civil disobedience.

The whole point of civil disobedience is it is overt. It is a PR stunt. You do it to get caught and you take your punishment. Voter registration fraud is covert. The whole point is you do not get caught and you avoid punishment.

Voter registration fraud is mostly druggies and winos trying to make a few bucks. It is not ideologically driven by either the right or the left. The orgs that do it turn in the bad regs because they're required by law to do that.

It never affects vote results. Never. The bad regs are always thrown out.

I think voter registration groups should be illegal. As should voter caging.

Or, since outlawing voter-reg groups would be unconstitutional, do this:

County clerks and precinct voting offices can charge the voter-reg groups up to $50 (or some fucking painful amount) for EACH bad registration. Voter-reg groups must bond for that amount PER REGISTRATION THEY SUBMIT, prior to submission.

Problem solved.

I know this is a bit off topic, but we ARE on the WGB.

Anyone know why the Secretary of State plays such a minor role in "West Wing" (yes, I am an addict and couldn't wait for my local dvd shop to order Series 5-- so I skipåped it and am on 6th now...)

You hardly ever SEE this guy:



Lewis Berryhill, they called him.

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You can't even spell civil disobedience.

That is NOT how one spells 'So you're a big fat stinky doodoohead', Krad.

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Originally posted by Aisha:
I know this is a bit off topic, but we ARE on the WGB.

Anyone know why the Secretary of State plays such a minor role in "West Wing" (yes, I am an addict and couldn't wait for my local dvd shop to order Series 5-- so I skipåped it and am on 6th now...)

You hardly ever SEE this guy:



Lewis Berryhill, they called him.

That's William Devane, he's a pretty big actor (or once was) here in The States.

I read somewhere this morning that active servicemembers are donating to Obama at 6 times the rate they're donating to McCain. Very satisfying.

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Originally posted by Trogdor:

"Don't taze me, bro!"

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Originally posted by Kradlum:
But all disobedience is not civil disobedience.

The whole point of civil disobedience is it is overt. It is a PR stunt. You do it to get caught and you take your punishment. Voter registration fraud is covert. The whole point is you do not get caught and you avoid punishment.

Thank you.
You finally articulated it without resorting to insult.

So if Obama were to have surrendered himself to the authorities after 911, it would have been civil disobedience?

Calm down. I'm just practicing rhetorical terrorism. Forum I call home has been invaded by obnoxious soulless rightwingnut trolls, and I've been practicing some of their more obnoxiously pointless debatory tactics.

I assume you mean 'Osama'.

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Originally posted by Bravus:
I assume you mean 'Osama'.

It would be SO much more fun to say no, but you're right.

Obama's no terrorist, he's something scarier: a fully upwardly mobile uppity high yaller nigrah.

My family and I been scalding a bar heed in boiled almond milk w/ ground John the Conqueroo hoping to save the purity of white supremacist ignorance from his imminent Manchurian victory.

My daughter used to wear this button:

If they give gays equal rights, then *everyone* will want them!

I'm looking forward to the day when I can eat watermelon and fried chicken in public without being stigmatized as a wigger.

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Originally posted by Boogerhead:

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Originally posted by Kradlum:
But all disobedience is not civil disobedience.

The whole point of civil disobedience is it is overt. It is a PR stunt. You do it to get caught and you take your punishment. Voter registration fraud is covert. The whole point is you do not get caught and you avoid punishment.

Thank you.
You finally articulated it without resorting to insult.

Perhaps if you had articulated yourself better in the first place and not resorted to sticking your tongue out we could have had a reasonable discourse. You are so gracious in defeat.

Got my answer from WikiPedia under United States Cabinet:

"Recent decline in influence

Though the Cabinet is still an important organ of bureaucratic management, in recent years, the Cabinet has generally declined in relevance as a policy making body. Starting with President Franklin Roosevelt, the trend has been for Presidents to act through the Executive Office of the President or the National Security Council rather than through the Cabinet. This has created a situation in which non-Cabinet officials such as the White House Chief of Staff, the Director of the Office of Management and Budget, and the National Security Advisor are now as powerful as or more powerful than some Cabinet officials."

Yeah keep in mind the post master general is a cabinet post, not really as relevant today as it was before the telephone.

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Originally posted by Trogdor:
Something a little nicer

Jeez, I got choked up. Barack is just so... I dunno... unlike the Republicans. I mean lookit 'im, in those photos, it actually looks like he's hugging those people. The kind of hug that matters, not some fake politician hug.

Call me a bunny-hugger, but in my world, I want a president who gives good hug.

Earnest and thoughtful is good. Crotchety and mean isn't.

Chart of stock market values under GOP and Dem presidents.

from an email from a friend of mine.

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Yeah, I think Obama will win the election about 2 to 1 in the end because most Americans probably wouldn't care if John Joe McCarthy McSame came to the debates with a 10 minute slide show of Barack riding a bomb into the WTC and waving a cowboy hate like Slim PIckens in Dr. Strangelove. In fact, I believe most would say, we'll at least I'm not voting for Comrade McSame or Comrade Bush with his friends Comrades Paulson and Bernanke and Comrade KashnKari whom could be Hindu for all I know. I think the election will give the Republicans a great big cup of Shutthefuckup hopefully.

When Barney Fwank has been the voice of reason on the economic bills then we are sunk.