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UberDog

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I just saw a poll number: Obama is at 48% and McCain is at 42%. That really doesn't seem like enough of a lead to send a message to the world that we are ready for change nor one to me personally that Americans aren't fundamentally stupid, frightened little children.

Who here is going to vote for McCain, I know there has to be some of you out there. Why are you going to vote for McCain?

'Splain, Lucy.

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JosefK

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Why are you going to vote for McCain

...a poorly designed ballot?

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UberDog

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Check Here for McCain

Check Here for McBama

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If I were to cast a vote for McCain, it would be along the lines of letting the nation see what rock bottom feels like. Because we're not there, and it feels like a lot of people think we're magically going to bounce back from this hole we've dug ourselves into. I would vote for McCain to pay back all those muthafuckahs that voted BuschCo into office twice.

But I am not voting for him because Obama hasn't drained all hope from me yet. This pandering to the evangelicals over the faith based initiatives might end up pissing me off to not vote at all. Not that it matters one singular iota, I live in Washington.

Don't hate the player, hate the game...

_{As far as I'm concerned, I prefer silent vice to ostentatious virtue.
-Albert Einstein}

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UberDog

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Originally posted by Boogerhead:
If I were to cast a vote for McCain, it would be along the lines of letting the nation see what rock bottom feels like. Because we're not there, and it feels like a lot of people think we're magically going to bounce back from this hole we've dug ourselves into. I would vote for McCain to pay back all those muthafuckahs that voted BuschCo into office twice.

The more he drifts to center, the closer to the realizarion of the awesome power of McBama we come.

McBama comes in every happy meal as launches his own, spring-loaded, vague promises at you and your friends!

But I am not voting for him because Obama hasn't drained all hope from me yet. This pandering to the evangelicals over the faith based initiatives might end up pissing me off to not vote at all. Not that it matters one singular iota, I live in Washington.

Don't hate the player, hate the game...

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Well, that's just it. I think the process is set up to perpetuate itself. The only way to get elected is to blow smoke up as many asses as possible. BY the time one or the other wins, there's no difference anyway.

_{As far as I'm concerned, I prefer silent vice to ostentatious virtue.
-Albert Einstein}

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Yeah, let's all vote for McCain!!!
He's going to magically fix our economy by winning a war we've already declared "won".

We'll get the government we deserve.

_{As far as I'm concerned, I prefer silent vice to ostentatious virtue.
-Albert Einstein}

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And it's funny how the guy claiming that the government should not bail out failing industries was the first to get behind the bear sterns bailout.

Hypocracy is the medium and the rule.

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-Albert Einstein}

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oddmanrush

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Senator Thad Cochran (R.-Miss.) on his thoughts about McCain becoming Commander in Chief.

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"The thought of his being president sends a cold chill down my spine," "He is erratic. He is hotheaded. He loses his temper and he worries me."

This from a Republican fellow Senator.

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Bravus

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Apparently McCain has stated that his p[olicy is to make all employer-provided benefits to employees taxable - a massive tax hike. How is he managing to run as a Republican? I guess on the 'screw the workers' slate, but still - tell all the Republicans you know about this high tax, large government policy.

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At this point, the lunatics have not only taken over the asylum, they've eaten the staff, lobotomized the doctors and set the building on fire.

_{As far as I'm concerned, I prefer silent vice to ostentatious virtue.
-Albert Einstein}

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jbx

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Can I ask a semi-serious question?

This is for members of Team America only, sorry international WGBers, but ex-pats can play.

Anyway, the question: what will it take, what will "the government" have to do to make you riot\march on DC?

I think I've asked this before perhaps.

It just seems to me people get more and more outraged, or, as a lower blood-pressure alternative, they get more and more disgustipated and resigned, but...what does either of those do?

Self-perpetuating, "they are all the same", and on and on like that, maybe "If X wins...I'm moving to Canada!".

I ask because I don't see them changing otherwise. I think the US FedGov doesn't fear it's populace anymore, and they should, but until they do there is no reason for them not to lie to our faces and do whatever the fuck they please.

So...an unjust war? Didn't work. Torture and kidnapping of foreign nationals? Nope. How about spying on it's own citizens and giving the companies immunity for helping out? Uh-uh. Bailing out fatcat investment companies overnight? Try again. Building a border fence? Not that one.

So...shooting people in the streets? Arresting political dissidents and keeping them w.o. trial? Fucking little babies?

In regards to Boogs last post for instance, yes, the loonies are eating the staff, looting the medicine cabinets, and burning the place down....why are we all letting them do that?

It's easy to say that "half the country" doesn't mind. But that's bullshit, frankly. Conservo-droids hate this shit just as much as Liberal-o-bots, they may hate it for totally opposite reasons, but we're united in our hatred at least.

Something seems to stop things from hitting a critical mass. Is it TV? Internet Pr0n? MMORPGS?

Obama won't change it, McCain won't, not even Nader (I think) would really be able to change it. We can though. If something pisses us off enough.

What would that be, for you personally?

(the sad part is btw, I can't think of what it would be, for me)

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Gromit

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Rick Shenkman and the truth about the American voter.

--Only 2 in 5 voters can name the three branches of the federal government.

--Nearly half (49%) of Americans think the president has the authority to suspend the Constitution.

--Only 1 in 7 can find Iraq on a map.

--A majority (70%) continued to believe that Saddam Hussein was responsible for 9/11, even after the 9/11 Commission reported that the claim was groundless.

--Only 1 in 5 know that there are 100 federal senators.

--Only one-fifth of Americans between ages 18-34 bother to keep up with current events.

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"It may be said with rough accuracy that there are three stages in the life of a strong people. First, it is a small power, and fights small powers. Then it is a great power, and fights great powers. Then it is a great power, and fights small powers, but pretends that they are great powers, in order to rekindle the ashes of its ancient emotion and vanity. After that, the next step is to become a small power itself."
--GK Chesterton, "Heretics"

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It will not happen. That much we learned from the French and Russian revolutions. The only reasons the people took to the streets in 1917 is because the army, their army was instructed to fire on them, on their sons and daughters, on their very own brothers and sisters, wives and mothers. When all workers were starving to death in front of each other and on the streets.

The US government has never feared us. They feared the Mormons, once upon a time, but that army is no more.

Simple answer: Americans are too fat and lazy to revolt anymore. We shot our wad when we fought Britain, and then ourselves.

And as Gromit(who's Ozness prohibits him from answering) was kind enough to illustrate, we're st00pid.

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-Albert Einstein}

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jbx

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Originally posted by Boogerhead:
It will not happen. That much we learned from the French and Russian revolutions. The only reasons the people took to the streets in 1917 is because the army, their army was instructed to fire on them, on their sons and daughters, on their very own brothers and sisters, wives and mothers. When all workers were starving to death in front of each other and on the streets.

The US government has never feared us. They feared the Mormons, once upon a time, but that army is no more.

Simple answer: Americans are too fat and lazy to revolt anymore. We shot our wad when we fought Britain, and then ourselves.

And as Gromit(who's Ozness prohibits him from answering) was kind enough to illustrate, we're st00pid.

Yah....that's pretty much the same sad conclusion I came to as well. Still I was hoping for some torches-n-pitchforks action in my lifetime.

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Gromit

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I don't think Americans are st00pid. I think they're largely uneducated in civics and uninformed about current events, and that this situation has not arisen by chance.

I don't think we're any better here, incidentally.

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jbx

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And to substantiate Gromit's claims. I worked with a girl, young, but not stupid, per se, not a "conservative" as far as I could tell.

Why did she vote for GWB?

Quote: "Because Kerry wants to give gays rights we don't have"

So, naturally, I say, "Well..uh, which rights would those be?"

Quote: "I don't know"

Yah, Jesus wept.

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jbx

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Originally posted by Gromit:
I don't think Americans are st00pid. I think they're largely uneducated in civics and uninformed about current events, and that this situation has not arisen by chance.

I don't think we're any better here, incidentally.

I, on the other hand, as an American, DO think we're all pretty dumb. Even the smart ones.

The NYT Op\Ed page is what convinced me of this truth.

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John Maddox Roberts

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A return to the draft could touch off at least a limited rebellion. The great campus movement of the late 60s/early 70s was not about the war, it was about the draft. Specifically, it was about college students getting drafted. There was no significant campus protest until college students lost their draft deferments. Then LBJ found out that hell hath no fury like middleclass white kids who've lost their privileges. When the draft ended, the demonstrations went out like somebody'd hit a switch, even though the war was dragging on. In short, a significant and politically powerful part of American society is going to have to face unwanted sacrifice before anything will happen, which is why our government is so anxious that no such thing occurs. Which is why, after 9/11 George Bush wanted a war but was determined that the citizens' lives should be affected in no other way.

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